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Re: Crop Circles Discussion

From: Paul Scott Anderson <paulscottanderson.nul>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:02:03 -0700
Archived: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:43:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:19:12 +0100
>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>There is no, repeat no, historical evidence for crop circles, as
>they are presently understood, before the 1980s. The clearest
>evidence for this is at Warminster, Wiltshire, England.

>Warminster lies in the epicentre of the English crop circle
>territory, and forty years ago it was the centre of England's
>biggest ever UFO flap.

>The place was swarming with ufologists, recording anything
>unusual that happened in the area. Quite literally, a sparrow
>could not fall from the sky without it being noticed. Yet no-
>one, repeat no-one, recorded anything resembling a corn circle
>as we now know the term.

>No matter what you think their origin may be, you have to admit
>that the corn circle phenomenon began in the 1980s.

Wrong! It is clear you are unfamilliar with much of the research
done in this area... I've been studying and investigating this
subject since the early 90s, and, like other researchers who
have had an interest in the historical aspect of crop circles,
we have found that there are indeed many older accounts. Some
are in documents, some are from still-living witnesses, etc.

A report in Nature magazine (1880) described flattened circles
with well-defined edges and standing centres in Surrey, England.
Other reports in A Natural History of Staffordshire (1686)
describe geometric flattened patterns in fields. There are
others from England in various archives.

Even just yesterday, Bob Shell sent me an e-mail of a post he
did for UFO UpDates (but didn't get posted) of a circle he
himself saw in Virginia in 1966. There are many similar accounts
from various countries. Try actually talking to Jeff Wilson,
Andreas Muller, Terry Wilson, Nancy Talbott and others who have
uncovered some of these cases. There are also currently at least
47 known pre-1980 reports in the formation archives on the CCCRN
web site (out of 251 to date). And yes, some of these came from
UFO researchers as well other witnesses. People may have started
hoaxing more formations in later years in England (and
elsewhere) but the basic phenomenon existed long before that in
many countries.

I would recommend actually reading the information available
before making such dismissive statements. The links below are a
sampling and a good start:


In all the countries, most of these reports are of very simple
circles and rings, with similar characteristics, but they are
the same as what we now refer to as crop circles - flattened,
swirled circles or occasionally other shapes.

Paul Scott Anderson

Canadian Crop Circle Research Network

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