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Re: Crop Circles Discussion

From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:15 +0100
Archived: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:57:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion


>From: Paul Scott Anderson <paulscottanderson.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:02:03 -0700
>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:19:12 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>>There is no, repeat no, historical evidence for crop circles, as
>>they are presently understood, before the 1980s. The clearest
>>evidence for this is at Warminster, Wiltshire, England.

>>Warminster lies in the epicentre of the English crop circle
>>territory, and forty years ago it was the centre of England's
>>biggest ever UFO flap.

>>The place was swarming with ufologists, recording anything
>>unusual that happened in the area. Quite literally, a sparrow
>>could not fall from the sky without it being noticed. Yet no-
>>one, repeat no-one, recorded anything resembling a corn circle
>>as we now know the term.

>>No matter what you think their origin may be, you have to admit
>>that the corn circle phenomenon began in the 1980s.

>Wrong! It is clear you are unfamilliar with much of the research
>done in this area... I've been studying and investigating this
>subject since the early 90s, and, like other researchers who
>have had an interest in the historical aspect of crop circles,
>we have found that there are indeed many older accounts. Some
>are in documents, some are from still-living witnesses, etc.>
>I would recommend actually reading the information available
>before making such dismissive statements. The links below are a
>sampling and a good start:

>http://www.cccrn.ca/history.html
>http://www.cccrn.ca/formationarchives.html
>http://www.bltresearch.com/otherfacts.html
>http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/secretbook98.html
>http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/textWW2.htm#01
>http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/textSweden.htm
>http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/textDDR.htm
>http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/textCredoMutwa.htm
>http://www.kornkreise-forschung.de/textGrimm.htm
>http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=195&c=any
>http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=196&c=any
>http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=197&c=any
>http://www.invisiblecircle.org/ser/d-archiv-1990-and-older.html
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/95/a3940995.shtml

>In all the countries, most of these reports are of very simple
>circles and rings, with similar characteristics, but they are
>the same as what we now refer to as crop circles - flattened,
>swirled circles or occasionally other shapes.

I am familiar with most of the cases cited above. They are, as
you say, mostly simple circles which probably have a
meteorological explanation. We will never know just how regular
and 'hard-edged' they may be because we are usully dependent on
verbal descriptions made after the event. The Tully, Queensland,
'saucer nests' have been widely discussed in the UFO literature
and they have only a marginal connection with the broader crop-
circle phenomenon. Stanton Friedman points out that ground
markings and crop damage are familiar to ufologists, who have
probably examined thousands in Britain, Europe and North America
over the last sixty years. To claim all these as 'crop circles'
is going to muddy the waters even more.

With regard to such cases as the 'Mowing Devil' there are many
cultural variables involved in interpreting accounts from
previous centuries, and they cannot be regarded as scientific
evidence for an unknown phenomena. The Mowing Devil account
itself was probably part of a campaign for a living wage for
agricultural workers and a coded attack on miserly landowners!

I stand by my contention that the crop circle phenomenon as it
is generally understood is a product of the 1980s and 1990s.




--
John Rimmer
<j.rimmer.nul>



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