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Re: Crop Circles Discussion

From: Paul Scott Anderson <paulscottanderson.nul>
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:58:59 -0700
Archived: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:45:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:20:15 +0100
>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>I am familiar with most of the cases cited above. They are, as
>you say, mostly simple circles which probably have a
>meteorological explanation. We will never know just how regular
>and 'hard-edged' they may be because we are usully dependent on
>verbal descriptions made after the event. The Tully, Queensland,
>'saucer nests' have been widely discussed in the UFO literature
>and they have only a marginal connection with the broader crop-
>circle phenomenon. Stanton Friedman points out that ground
>markings and crop damage are familiar to ufologists, who have
>probably examined thousands in Britain, Europe and North America
>over the last sixty years. To claim all these as 'crop circles'
>is going to muddy the waters even more.

That is something I've been saying for years now, that because
almost all older cases are simpler circles and rings, it may
indicate that the genuine phenomenon is natural in origin after
all. Maybe.

I've never claimed that all ground markings are the same as crop
circles. I even make reference to that on the CCCRN web site, if
you've ever bothered to read any of it. I don't have any of the
burned rings, circles of missing vegetation, etc. in the web
site archives. Those are what I would call classic landing trace
cases. But other formations are of flattened, swirled crops or
other vegetation. The _same characteristics_ as crop circles as
we now know them. It's that simple.

The Nature article I linked, which was from a respected
scientist at the time (1880), specifically described sharp-edged
circles with the plants flattened and swirled around a standing
centre. A classic crop circle description, not a typical landing
trace description. The descriptions that some farmers have given
of older circles are often the same. Those often come from
farmers who have owned the same fields in their families for
generations, and when they tell you that circles have happened
before, going back several generations or more, we better listen
to them.

>With regard to such cases as the 'Mowing Devil' there are many
>cultural variables involved in interpreting accounts from
>previous centuries, and they cannot be regarded as scientific
>evidence for an unknown phenomena. The Mowing Devil account
>itself was probably part of a campaign for a living wage for
>agricultural workers and a coded attack on miserly landowners!

The many other cases described have nothing to do with the
'Mowing Devil' account which I agree is a bit less persuasive.
The ones that I and others are most interested in come from
scientific journals, media, farmers, etc.

Something else that ufologists often seem to forget or overlook
is that the same kind of classic, simpler circles still happen
even today in some locations. The 'big and fancy' designs do not
represent the phenomenon as a whole, they simple get the most

Paul Scott Anderson

Canadian Crop Circle Research Network

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