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Re: Crop Circles Discussion

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:01:39 -0300
Archived: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>From: Paul Scott Anderson <paulscottanderson.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:16:15 -0700
>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:40:57 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Crop Circles Discussion

>>Yeah, let's keep crop circles and trace evidence of object
>>landings and impressions separated. It seems to me that the crop
>>circles came about as the result of the odd impression seen in a
>>field or marsh and the hoaxter's decided to create a few of
>>their own and it got out of hand after that.

>You are _assuming_ that all crop circles since the 80s or so are

>>Swales, swirls and depressions and 'saucer' nests were, and
>>still are, found on occassion. I never see a "crop" circle in
>>the middle of a dense forest - [i.e. a 60 foot crush-down of
>>trees and bushes - or in a swamp or marsh however, it's always
>>in some easy place to get to, a farmer's field with a road next
>>to it.

>Again, showing how unfamiliar you guys are with the subject.
>There have been several accounts of crop circles in trees in
>different countries over the years, including Canada. I even
>reported two more in the Northwest Territories in 2004. They
>have also been found in marshes, reeds, etc. And no, they are
>_not_ always beside roads. Often, yes, but not always. In North
>America, there have also been formations in thickly planted
>fields (with no tramlines), with no tracks at all through the
>standing crop. I've seen this myself.

>Maybe you should stick to ufology, instead of thinking that you
>are experts in all these other subjects as well. Just a

You are dragging this into ufology, not I. And you are on a List
called UFO UpDates in case you haven't noticed. If you want to
flaunt crop circles then expect to take some flack about it. Now
you refer back to what were once considered to be trace evidence
of landings in marshes and in the forests and suddenly they are
crop circles san the crops and the beginnings of some phenomenon
you propose. A lot of work was done investigating these which
were evident trace cases of some heavy object having landed or
set down there not some design created to communicate.

There are no 200-300 foot wide circles in the forests or marshes
either with the intricate patterns seen since the 80s. You have
confused those with the older trace cases which still occur or
done so to give some credence to the growth of crop circles.

I'm well aware of the huge circles in the Northwest Territories
but it seems to me they were explained away as some tree growth
pattern after some natural event.

And I'll stick to whatever I damn well want which is an attempt
at some critical thinking, not blind acceptance of some theory
that these are created in fields from the air by UFOs.

You on the other hand seem to blindly accept these intricate
patterns as some phenomenon created by some extra terrestrial
intelligence despite the fact that many have been admittedly
hoaxed and that humans are just as capable of producing them
with boards, ropes and measuring tapes.

To me they are noise in the signal not to mention another source
of ridicule from science and the media. Off list I have been
accused of being a Shirmer re crop circles at my peril
reputation wise.

So be it.

Don Ledger

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