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Re: Randle's Analysis Of The Mantell Case

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:34:16 EDT
Archived: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:08:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Randle's Analysis Of The Mantell Case

>From: Tim Donovan <uwtd.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:32:50 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Randle's Analysis Of The Mantell Case

>An Analysis Of The Thomas Mantell UFO Case:


>So what comments were received? It's been five years, but I
>didn't come across the paper until now. Is Randle's view widely
>accepted by Ufologists?

Tim, List All -

This was an attempt to create a scientific forum for the
discussion of cases and an attempt to bring a little bit of
structure to what we all have been doing. My thinking was to
provide an example of how to create this and publish the results
hoping that others would examine other cases in a similar way.
That has not happened.

Errol, though his kindness, posted the preliminary paper and we
asked for a "peer" review. Since this List is circulated widely
and we have some highly educated people on it, this seemed the
best way to create the peer review, especially since there are
no degrees in Ufology.

Some of the things that were pointed out, and then corrected had
to do with hypoxia (which is a shortage of oxygen in the blood)
the various performance statistics of the F-51, and points where
it seemed we had contradictory testimony. Many people
contributed to the project by supplying documentation and leads.

Once all the data were gathered, I put it all down with the
resources used. The conclusions drawn are mine, based on the
evidence that I had available to me.

Now, I have heard that new evidence has been located that
suggests Mantell was chasing something more extraordinary that a
balloon but no one has shared any of this evidence with me. I'm
just told that this new evidence eliminates the balloons.
Frankly, I find that hard to believe, given the evidence that
was available when I put the paper together.

I will note, and I don't believe there will be any disagreement,
Mantell died because he had no oxygen for his aircraft and he
attempted to climb to 25,000 feet. At twenty thousand the
average useful consciousness is ten minutes and when Mantell
began his climb to 25,000 feet he'd already been at 20,000 for
his ten minutes. It's clear from the evidence that at about
30,000 feet the aircraft rolled over into a power dive and began
to break up at about 19,000 feet. There was no evidence that
Mantell tried to get out of the aircraft.

This should, I believe, provide enough information. I'm still
waiting to see the new evidence, though people told me about
more than a year ago.


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