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Re: Marcel & Mogul?

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:04:37 -0700
Archived: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Marcel & Mogul?

>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:14:58 EDT
>Subject: Marcel & Mogul?

>When the Mogul Balloon experiment was dished out as the source
>of the debris recovered from the two locations, wouldn't Major
>Jesse Marcel have been fully knowledgeable about Mogul since he
>was the IO of the base?

Mogul was required to issue NOTAMS or Notices to Airmen to
surrounding air fields, because the balloons were potential air
traffic hazards. So one would think Roswell base would be among
those so notified.

Mogul was required to track the balloons and issue updates if
they drifted into air traffic lanes. Mogul #5, e.g., from June
5, 1947, passed within only 4 miles of Roswell base.  One would
think Roswell base would not only have seen the balloon but also
the B-17 chase plane circling underneath. This would obviously
beg the question from Roswell base, "What's that plane and
balloon thingy doing in our air space?"

Brad Sparks got into an e-mail debate with Mogul engineer
Charles Moore on this very issue (the debate was mediated by
Karl Pflock). When pushed, Moore finally admitted that the B-17
crew probably would have been in communication with the base.
Previously Moore's position was that Roswell knew absolutely
nothing about Mogul.

One would think that Marcel's intelligence office would indeed
have been informed of all this somewhere down the line. They had
responsibility for base security. A balloon and chase plane, for
all they knew, could have been spying on the nation's one and
only atomic bomber base. Better check it out to make sure that
wasn't the case.

Even if Roswell base was completely unaware of Mogul, the
alleged Mogul crash object, Flight #4 (which probably never
existed) was made of common weather balloons, twine, balsa
wood/foil-paper radar targets, and other common materials.
Anyone coming across such materials would not confuse them with
anything extraordinary. Balloons are balloons. String is string.
Balsa wood is balsa wood. Foil-paper was a common consumer
product (candy bar & chewing gum wrapper). Etc., etc.

Interestingly, Marcel in one interview mentioned some of the
metallic memory material resembling balloon fabric, but said he
ruled this out because he could blow through it. Hence he
referred to it as clothlike. (The only Moguls with material that
even remotely resembed this were two or three experimental
balloons where the rubber balloon core was covered with a nylon
shroud sprayed with aluminum paint. This is all moot anyway,
since the few of these that existed were all tested much later.)

Marcel had taken an extensive radar intelligence course at the
end of WWII (one of his MO's was radar intelligence officer).
Very likely Marcel would have been introduced to the radar
targets at that time. Also radar jamming chaff was made of the
same foil-paper candy bar wrapper as covered the radar targets.
For sure Marcel would have been shown this stuff in a radar
intelligence course. Marcel Jr. notes in his new book that his
dad would never have graduated radar intelligence school if he
couldn't ID a radar target. (Marcel, incidentally, graduated
with high scores and was offered an instructorship afterwards,
according to Marcel Jr. Marcel wasn't a dummy when it came to

Even if Marcel was a complete moron, he wasn't the only person
to see the material. Base commander Blanchard for sure would
have examined the debris before issuing his infamous flying disc
press release. So make that two utter fools, if not considerably
more at Roswell base, who couldn't recognize balloons, aluminum
foil, etc.

And even if Marcel never figured it out at Roswell, his next
assignment in Washington for the Special Weapons Project
involved collating all intelligence on whether the Soviets had
an A-bomb or not. Mogul was one of three systems for detecting
A-bombs at long-distance (the other two were fallout and seismic
recordings). So Marcel as a necessary part of his job would have
known for sure about the data from Project Mogul when he was
with the Special Weapons Project.

So yes, Marcel must have known about Project Mogul, not that he
needed to know anything about it to ID simple balloon materials.

David Rudiak

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