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Re: Newly Released CIA Documents On UFOs?

From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:12:50 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:54:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Newly Released CIA Documents On UFOs?

>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:39:40 EST
>Subject: Re: Newly Released CIA Documents On UFOs?

>>From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:53:09 -0500 (EST)
>>Subject: Re: Newly Released CIA Documents On UFOs?


>>I discovered in Edward Condon an honest man who, in the end, had to
>>bend to ! his employers. It must have been very difficult for him.

>Oh please! You must be joking. Condon was not working for the
>CIA just because he got a briefing there! He was working for the
>far more insidious and hostile AF.


No, I am not joking. Please read on.

>>This is probably old knowledge for the seasoned ufologists on
>>the List (and old suppression for the seasoned debunkers).

>Speaking of "suppression" aren't you leaving out the most
>salient point which is that our pro-UFO hero David R. Saunders
>was part of Condon's group visiting the CIA? You also left out
>that they weren't visiting some spooky CIA spy operation but
>simply touring the photographic facilities of NPIC which
>processed U-2 and satellite recon pics.

>Saunders never breathed a word of his CIA NPIC visit and
>contacts to anyone, even after Condon fired him in Feb 1968 over
>the famous pro-UFO incident when he leaked the Low 'trick' memo
>to McDonald. Why not ponder the coverup involved with that?


You said that the concerned document is "nothing new". Obviously
it has been a long time since you read it: there is no reference
to any R. Saunders and no mention of anyone touring anything.

It is only a report on the reactions of Condon and his group on
the value of the Zanesville photography.

More: the reader discovers in Condon a passionate man overly
enthusiastic about the possibility it is the real deal. He even
wanted to share this with the public.

That is all that is said, written and inferred in the reference
I mentioned.

I thought this was some lesson of life: people change under
whatever pressure.

It is also evident that Condon did not deny the reality of UFOs.

For me, this is a good story about human nature, when you
consider how the man was demonized - and still is - by


>>This was some revelation to me.

>>The magnitude of the implications leaves me speechless. Most of
>>the text could have been capitalized.

>Lots more than just this, and released in the 70's, but it would
>require an in-depth investigation of CIA organization and >history to
understand it, beginning with the fact the CIA is not >a monolithic
agency speaking and acting with one voice. Most UFO >researchers
cannot even keep up with the polarized 'covert' and >'overt' sides of
the CIA, so everything that is 'CIA' is >automatically attributed to
spook assassins and James Bond >types.


I am talking about human nature, you're talking about The

Have you ever seen the documentary 'The Corporation'?

It is said that corporations are deemed 'moral entities' by the
Law, but, as such, would be diagnosed psychotic if they were

More on this if you care to discuss it.

Vincent Boudreau

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