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Condon & David R. Saunders [was: Newly Released

From: Donald Johnson <ufocat2006.nul>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:40 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:51:38 -0500
Subject: Condon & David R. Saunders [was: Newly Released


>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:39:40 EST
>Subject: Re: Newly Released CIA Documents On UFOs?

<snip>

>Speaking of "suppression" aren't you leaving out the most
>salient point which is that our pro-UFO hero David R. Saunders
>was part of Condon's group visiting the CIA? You also left out
>that they weren't visiting some spooky CIA spy operation but
>simply touring the photographic facilities of NPIC which
>processed U-2 and satellite recon pics.

<snip>

Saunders did mention his visit to the CIA during the early days
of the Colorado UFO Study to me, when I worked for him as a
research assistant, I think it was in 1974, but it could have
been later in 1988 or 1989, when we worked together again on
personality research.

The reason he has never commented upon this visit is that he had
to sign a secrecy agreement in order to see what evidence the
CIA did have.

I only met Condon once - as a freshman student at the University
of Colorado in the early spring of 1971. I went to his office
one day in the Gamov Physics Tower on the CU campus because my
friend Rod Dyke from Seattle had asked me to ask Condon if he
would return some photographs he had loaned to the Colorado UFO
Study. He claimed he had already returned the photos, which was
not true.

I suppose Condon could be likeable enough to people who met him
on neutral ground, but his treatment of Dr. Saunders can never
be forgiven. Not only did he fire Saunders from the Colorado UFO
Study after the Look magazine article, he tried to get him
dismissed as a professor from the University of Colorado.

He tried to get him fired from the University for incompetence,
_not_ just for insubordination.

Fortunately Dr. Saunders had tenure, but he never received
another pay raise for the remainder of the time he worked at
C.U. (until August 1974). His wife Fran told me that he was
earning more money from summer consulting work than he received
as a full professor. That was a not-so-subtle message from the
higher powers in the University administration that they wanted
him to leave.

Saunders had other connections with the CIA. When he worked at
ETS (Educational Testing Service) he was recruited to do
research for the CIA by Dr. John Gittinger. This was part of the
Human Ecology Fund that ETS and probably Princeton University
signed up for with the government, and the CIA front
organization known as Psychological Assessment Associates hired
many assessment psychologists to use the methods he developed to
recruit spies.

Many of Saunders' papers published in the late 1950s and early
1960s on the WAIS and personality assessment (based on profile
analysis of intelligence subtest scores) were funded by the CIA.

When I worked for him in 1974 I was employed by Psychological
Assessment Associates for 9 months, to help with a correlational
study project comparing WAIS profile scores with scores from the
Strong Vocational Interest Inventory.

If you want more insight into the relationship between the CIA
and their recruitment of behavioral scientists during the Cold
War, read the book Harvard And The Unabomber. The author
claims that up to 60% of all academic psychologists during this
period had received US government funding from intelligence
agencies and defense department agencies (such as the Office of
Naval Intelligence).


BTW - The best single item on the SVII to predict overall
intelligence was the question "Do you like photography?" If you
said you disliked it, as opposed to liking it or being neutral
on the subject, you probably weren't very smart.


Donald A. Johnson, Ph.D.




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