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Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:01:33 -0800
Archived: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:03:14 -0500
Subject: Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:44:59 +0000
>Subject: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>Any comments on this? It does come from a pilot, and so,
>according to Don Ledger, speaks with extra authority!


>26th January 2007

>Posted By:

>Cunning Artificer

>I was reading a Great Mysteries... book belonging to one of
>the children. It contained a UFO sighting that occurred in the
>USA where a recently retired USAAF "Pursuit" pilot was flying a
>private plane in the vicinity of Mt. Rainier near Seattle. He was
>shocked to see a formation of huge bright silver crescent shaped
>craft pass him some way off travelling at what he estimated was
>about 1,000 mph. They changed direction very sharply with the sun
>flahing off their crescent shaped bodies and disappeared towards
>the north west. He said they definitely weren't aircraft as they
>were too big, too fast and manouvered too suddenly.

>At the time there was nothing to match such a description and
>great credence was given to the story because of the chap's
>history as a fighter pilot. Something in the account jogged a
>vague memory. I dug out an old book given to me as a souvenir by
>Boeing . There in the middle was a beautiful picture of a
>formation of large, bright silver, highly swept winged aircraft
>flying in formation over Mt. Rainier - oddly enough on the same
>date as his sighting. They were the early prototypes for the B47
>bomber programme and were flying in formation for an official
>Boeing photo shoot.

>Its a pity the B47 crews never saw these UFO's as they had a well
>set up camera ship flying with them. Of course, the photos of the
>UFOs might have been taken away by secret agents when they landed
>soon afterwards at Moses Lake - the flight test centre to the
>north west of Seattle."

Hi, John, & List,

Let's just say, like Rich Reynold's old speculation about
"prototype" B-47 Stratojet's being involved in the Kenneth
Arnold sighting, that the reference by Mr. Rimmer to the post by
"Blacksheep" on the PPRN web page he cites, is also completely
incorrect, as far as "Blacksheep's" recollection goes. Here are
the citations:


Just by doing a little googling, I traced "Blacksheep" (a.k.a.
"Cunning Artificer") to his personal website, and also found the
above wiki citation, wherein it says the very first, short
flight hop of one of the only two "early, prototype" _X_B-47
prototypes did not occur until 17 December 1947, its' maiden
flight. The second XB-47 prototype did not make its' maiden
flight, in turn, until 21 July 1948. Production B-47 bombers, in
any quantity, did not get introduced into service before June of

This absolutely rules out any form of prototype XB-47 or
production B-47 Stratojet bombers from being the source of the
Arnold sighting, which involved nine objects flying in a chain
formation with unusual flight and configuration characteristics
near Mt. Rainier at an estimated speed of roughly 1,000 mile per
hour or so. In fact, based on my net searching when I saw Mr.
Rimmer's post, over about an hour or less, I found that there
were NO U.S. or foreign jet aircraft of any quantity that could
be the source of Arnold's sighting. For one thing, even the
first, the XB-47 prototypes, were sub-sonic, and flew at roughly
500 mph or less.

The speed, size, flight characteristics and shape, number,
location, date, and other variables cited by Arnold on the day
of his sighting in fact fit no aircraft at that time produced in
either the US or any foreign country.

I'd have to say, as a result, that the known facts preclude a
prosaic, "jet aircraft" of any kind, or sort of explanation, and
so the Arnold case is not by any means "solved" by such
speculation, and remains open.

Steve Sawyer

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