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Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:36:44 -0800
Archived: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:14:16 -0500
Subject: Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?


>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:44:59 +0000
>Subject: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>Any comments on this? It does come from a pilot, and so,
>according to Don Ledger, speaks with extra authority!

>http://tinyurl.com/2pep7c

>26th January 2007

>Posted By:

>Blacksheep
>Cunning Artificer

>I was reading a Great Mysteries... book belonging to one of the
>children. It contained a UFO sighting that occurred in the USA
>where a recently retired USAAF "Pursuit" pilot was flying a
>private plane in the vicinity of Mt. Rainier near Seattle. He
>was shocked to see a formation of huge bright silver crescent
>shaped craft pass him some way off travelling at what he
>estimated was about 1,000 mph. They changed direction very
>sharply with the sun flahing off their crescent shaped bodies
>and disappeared towards the north west. He said they definitely
>weren't aircraft as they were too big, too fast and manouvered
>too suddenly.

No, they disappeared to the _southeast_, not the northwest -
sheesh!

Arnold said that at first he assumed they were some new jet
plane, but he kept looking for vertical stabilizers and couldn't
see any. They also flew in reverse echelon formation, not
typical for jet planes. The formation weaved like the tail of a
kite, again, not the the way jets fly in formation.

Arnold did _not_ report the shape of most of the objects as
"crescent shaped" - there was only one such object. The rest
appeared very thin and flat and half-moon shaped.

And, of course, the computed speed was way faster than any jet
plane of the time - more like 1700 mph, which Arnold
conservatively rounded down to 1200 mph. Had they been jet
planes flying more like 500 or 600 mph, then Arnold's estimate
of distance would have had to be off by around a factor of 3
(estimate based on seeing them momentarily disappear behind a
subpeak of Mt. Rainier and also weaving in around of mountain
peaks _south_ of Rainier (not north). If that was the case, then
Arnold should have had no problem whatsoever seeing a control
surface like a vertical stabilizer.

>At the time there was nothing to match such a description and
>great credence was given to the story because of the chap's
>history as a fighter pilot.

I don't remember Arnold being a "fighter" pilot - just a private,
civilian pilot.

>Something in the account jogged a vague memory. I dug out an old
>book given to me as a souvenir by Boeing . There in the middle
>was a beautiful picture of a formation of large, bright silver,
>highly swept winged aircraft flying in formation over Mt.
>Rainier - oddly enough on the same date as his sighting. They
>were the early prototypes for the B47 bomber programme and were
>flying in formation for an official Boeing photo shoot.


But Wikipedia says the maiden flight was December 17, 1947, or 6
months _after_ this supposed formation of B47s was flying and
supposedly confusing Arnold. In fact, assembly of the only
_two_ prototypes (not the _nine_ craft reported by Arnold),
didn't even begin until June 1947. Wait, isn't June 1947 the
same time Arnold reported his objects?

>Its a pity the B47 crews never saw these UFO's as they had a
>well set up camera ship flying with them.

Yes, add the ghost camera ship to go along with the ghost
formation of B47s 6 months before the first one ever flew.

>Of course, the photos of the UFOs might have been taken away
>by secret agents when they landed soon afterwards at Moses
>Lake - the flight test centre to the north west of Seattle."

But, but, but, the objects disappeared to the southeast, not
northwest. And Moses Lake isn't "northwest" of Seattle, but
about 150 miles east of Mt. Rainier and Seattle. And they were
just beginning to assemble the prototype B47s when Arnold made
his report. And there was only two of them. And on and on and
on.

In others words, this is just more Internet BS on a chat group
from some dufus - notice the guy even calls himself the "Cunning
Artificer". That should be a clue. Why are we not surprised that
someone like John Rimmer would still take it seriously and not
even bother to do some basic fact checking?


David Rudiak



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