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Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:49:27 -0800
Archived: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:46:34 -0500
Subject: Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?


>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:51:04 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:08:15 -0600
>>Subject: Re: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>>>From: John Rimmer <j.rimmer.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:44:59 +0000
>>Subject: The Arnold Case - Solved?

>>>>Any comments on this? It does come from a pilot, and so,
>>>>according to Don Ledger, speaks with extra authority!

>>Wow, John, pretty impressive.

>>A vague anecdote drawn up from fallible memory, no real cited
>>source - can you imagine what you would have done if somebody
>>had put this forward in a pro-UFO, as opposed to pelicanist,
>>context?

>>Oh, excuse me, I forgot. One standard for UFO proponents,
>>another for pelicanists. Never mind.

>>This to Bruce Maccabee: I know you've been counting, so
>>perhaps
>>you can answer this question: What number explanation is this
>>for the Arnold sighting? Are we in three figures by now?

>As I pointed out in my earlier email response directly to
>Rimmer, I consider this to be a variant of the Hynek
>explanation: Hynek didn't specify the type of aircraft, just
>that it was a large aircraft about 6 miles in front of Arnold,
>if I recall correctly (and flying about 400 mph).

Hynek's, incorrect, argument was that according to his incorrect
calculation based on Arnold's description, the objects would
have been over 2000 feet long, which he deemed impossible.

Hynek was off by at least a factor of 5-10, as I have explained
previously on the List, based on his misunderstanding of how
human visual acuity is measured.

So Hynek instead proposed jet planes maybe 6 miles away instead
of Arnold's 23. Does anybody see the second flaw in his
argument?

All Hynek did was bring his giant objects about 4 times closer,
which would scale them 4 times smaller. So instead of objects
over 2000 feet long, we would have "jet fighters" over 500 feet
long. That's still a trifle big. This is pretty elementary
stuff, yet Hynek never seems to have seen the obvious absurdity
of his argument. He was still dismissing the Arnold sighting
even after his Bluebook days.


David Rudiak




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