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Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:30 -0400
Archived: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:31:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:16:59 -0500
>Subject: Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:31:16 +0000
>>To: uup <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Subject: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

>>[I think the final paragraph of this article is particularly
>>superfluous! - Joe]

>>Source: The Daily Mail  London, UK



>>Pilots' 'out-of-body experiences' responsible for more than a
>>quarter of fatal air crashes


>Although this newspaper article does not have anything directly
>to do with UFOs, its very dubious claims could be used to
>discount pilots as reliable witnesses should they make a UFO

>This article may have had another mischieveous disinformation
>goal in mind. One of the unrelated pictures included with this
>article was a picture of JFK Jr which had the following caption:
>"Victim of SD: The plane John F Kennedy Jr piloted crashed into
>the Atlantic Ocean". Oh really?

>I guess I was wrong in suspecting that certain powerful and evil
>people would do anything to prevent JFK Jr from running for
>President and also to prevent him from revealing very disturbing
>truths in the well researched and more credible articles
>published in his magazine 'George'. Also, JFK Jr was being urged
>by some to run for Senator in New York. He would probably have
>won easily thereby preventing Hillary Clinton from getting this
>position, a step in her ultimate goal of one day running for
>President herself.

>I forwarded this article to a pilot friend of mine with nearly
>25,000 hours of pilot time. This friend never thought he was
>sitting on the wing of an airplane or had any other spatial
>disorientation experiences, including during stressful periods
>while flying in poor weather.

>My pilot friend didn't think JFK Jr had an SD problem either.
>Although JFK Jr was an experienced and cautious pilot, and his
>aircraft was well equipped with instruments, my friend told me
>that he was flying nearby during that same time period JFK Jr's
>aircraft went down and remembers that the visibility was lousy.
>Also, having two women in the aircraft could well have caused an
>added distraction.

>In support of my suspicions of foul play, my pilot friend did
>say he heard a report that someone near the destination Kennedy
>was trying to reach, either heard an explosion, saw a flash of
>light through the haze above him, or both.

Bull pucky. Kennedy Jr. was a 300 hour pilot with no night
rating let alone an instrument rating flying a 200mph Piper that
he basically had about 100 hours of flight time on. He got
behind it in haze over water at dusk while flying to Martha's
Vinyard. He went into a spiral, lost a wing and impacted the
water at 6 0mph - his Air Speed Indicator, ASI, showed "witness
marks" on the instruments face at that speed. The wreck clearly
showed there was no explosion. A large portion of one wing was
found a good distance away indicating wing separation. He had
the necessary instruments onboard to fly without a horizon as a
reference but didn't have the training to do so.

Had he not waited around for his wife's sister to show up at the
airport - she was something like 3 hours late - he would have
been in a better position to see ground, in this case water,
details and discern a horizon but he arrived off Martha's
Vinyard at dusk and in haze.* He experienced spacial
disorintation, and spiraled in hitting that water at about 60
miles an hour. His engine was still running when they hit.

This was a classic case of get-homeitus combined with spacial
disorientation [SD] [the real kind, not the stuff spouted by the
shrink from OZ]. Kennedy exceeded his limitations and the three
of them payed for it.

For the record I've never had that sitting on the wing outside
the cabin experience either and I've never heard of it. Kennedy
was literally sitting on the wing in his Saratoga because the
main spar passes right under the front seats.

Even at 25,000 hours for example no one can escape SD when the
horizon is lost and there are no instruments to refer to.

Numerous tests have been carried out and the record for
maintaining straight and level flight is about 30 seconds before
the inner ear sends a false signal and the pilot corrects for
some phantom input that didn't actually occur. Once pilots with
experience and training lose the horizon they go on instruments
referred to as Instrument Flight Rules [IFR] and fly "blind" as
it was once known. Airline pilots get their clearences at
controlled airports in IFR mode and stay that way regardless of
the visibility throughout the flight. But if they lose those in
weather and under IFR conditions they are in the same boat as
was Kennedy. But Kennedy entered that condition voluntarily due
to inexperience.

No conspiracy here just classic symptoms of inexperience, the
time of day, no IFR training, his training was behind the
airplane's capabilitiy [200mph] an urge to complete the mission,
bad weather and SD. Most times it takes about three things piling
up-it's called cascading events- to "get you", Kennedy had 7.

Don Ledger

* Haze-unlike fog or cloud - usually affects forward and
horizontal visibility but not usually straight down as it tends
to stay at a certain strata given weather and temperature. But
at dusk even the oocean's surface was probably not visible to

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