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Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:26:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
Archived: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:38:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:36:40 -0600
>Subject: Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences

>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:59:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>Subject: Re: Pilots' Out-Of-Body Experiences


>>Apparently your method where one selectively chooses what they
>>consider to be valid evidence and rejects outright what you
>>consider to be "conspiracy thinking" has failed you in your
>>quest for the truth about UFOs and the UFO phenomenon.

>>Maybe this truth will be found if you broaden your scope and are
>>willing to consider what you call "cartoon fantasies" too.
>>Remember that the ET explanation for UFOs was once considered a
>>cartoon fantasy too since it wasn't based on any solid evidence
>>but on much wishful thinking instead.

>Please spare me the lecture, Nick. I have written at length on
>the UFO phenomenon. Few, perhaps, have written and published as
>much as I have. Whether my conclusions are ultimately validated
>and disproved, I practice what I preach, and even those who
>disagree with my opinions respect the seriousness of my
>approach. I outline the evidence, try to adhere to what it
>suggests to the extent of my intellectual ability, and draw
>reasoned conclusions therefrom. I may be right, I may be wrong,
>I may be both at once, but I don't make wild, unsupported (or
>unsupportable) claims, and I don't lapse into irrational

Your well thought out and well researched contributions in this
field are noteworthy and have greatly influenced the direction
of current ufological thinking, including my own, having read
much of what you have written. This big influence you have in
ufology comes with a responsibility though. Since you are honest
by admitting that your opinions or conclusions about UFOs may be
wrong, you owe it to yourself and your readers to do a little
more listening and reading too in what you too quickly and
unjustifiably dismiss as wild unsupported/unsupportable claims.

You certainly don't need me to lecture you that the whole UFO
phenomenon is not just reports of strange objects in the sky but
also the way UFOs are perceived by the public and how they are
incorporated into our way of thinking and the important roles
certain UFO personalities, yourself included, have in our
current understanding of this phenomenon.

>You, on the other hand, believe that JFK Jr.'s fatal flight was
>no accident, that he was murdered - presumably by agents of the
>Clinton family, though you never make clear who the actual
>villains are, where they met, how they planned and pulled off
>their dastardly deed, and so on - so that Hillary Clinton could
>become New York senator and, perhaps, President one day. You
>provide no evidence, which is no surprise because there none
>exists outside your imagination. When challenged, you change
>the subject.

I never made such a claim or even implied that Hillary Clinton
may have had a part in the death of JFK Jr but there is a lot
more than what you think are just unsupported claims and
irrational paranoia about those that think and know differently.
If you are curious to know what I think and know, please contact
me off-list since this matter does not have a direct connection
to UFOs or ufology.

From your own opinions and beliefs which you volunteered to
express since your first e-mail reply to me and support in
subsequent e-mails to the UFO UpDates List, I think we can
safely conclude that the book (with an occult "all seeing eye"
in the back cover?) Hillary Clinton is holding in the pictures
recently made public of her walking with Laurence Rockefeller
during their meeting to discuss UFOs was not your book 'The
Encyclopedia of UFOs'! ;o)

>Your strange remarks about the circumstances of Jesus's birth
>presume without justification that the New Testament account is
>literally true - a description of a historical event, and not
>simply a faith narrative - and then go on, for no clear or
>compelling reason, to associate ETs with it. That's not
>conspiratorial thinking, true, but it is surely magical

My remarks about Jesus' birth and the ET connection was included
because of the holiday season that is approaching. Although you
and others may not believe the first Christmas account found in
the New Testament but there is no denying the obvious UFO/ET
connections to our only ET holiday that I am sure you and your
family and friends will be celebrating too like most of the rest
of the world, believers or not!

As for whether the Biblical and other extra-Biblical accounts
and ancient texts are literal accounts of actual historical
events or not, I think this is also something we can discuss and
debate off-List too. I have many reasons to believe the Bible is
an incredibably accurate historical source. I am convinced that
the reason it has remained unchanged to the present, despite
challenges and attacks by scholars wiser and more critical than
even you over many thousands of years, is because of it ET and
supernatural qualities and origin.

For those that want some further insights can read what has
already been written on the subject of UFOs and the Bible by
some very credible and respected authors, including some
ufologists. If you or others would like to learn about my
personal quest for Noah's Ark while living with Kurdish rebels
in eastern Turkey just across the border of Iran or working for
the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia while visiting the mountain
that God descended on to meet with Moses and finding much
evidence (still being kept secret) for the existence of ancient
Isreal in the Asir Mountains north of Yemen where I lived for
nearly four years can also contact me off-list since much of
what I have learned is still unpublished and widely known.

>I have no doubt that you're a decent, well-intentioned guy, but
>do you realize that you perfectly fulfill every unflattering
>stereotype out there about the sort of person who is attracted
>to ufology? If I thought that everybody out there thinks as you
>do, my departure from ufology would occur at faster-than-light

Everyone get drawn to something for different reasons. What
others or I think about UFOs should not deter you away from your
personal quest for the truth. Having a balance of views and a
medium such as the UFO UpDates List to share them will be able
to test our views and beliefs and possibly come to the truth,
whatever it may be. Unless you are afraid that the truth may
prove to be very different and unacceptable to you, I see no
reason for you, or any researcher/scholar, to quickly depart
from ufology - a field of study that has been a big part of your
life - because the views you hold may now be in the minority.

Have a Merry ET Christmas and I look forward to your e-mails and
many more important contributions to ufology in books, journal
articles and on the UFO UpDates List in the years to come.

Nick Balaskas

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