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Re: Skylab 3

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:38:03 -0500
Archived: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:12:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Skylab 3


>From: James Smith <lunartravel.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:53:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>Subject: Re: Skylab 3

>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:30 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Skylab 3

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>Highly elliptical orbits can have the object glow
>and pass out of the heat up zone and survive.

>http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Aug-1996/0151.html

>http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Aug-1996/0153.html

>However, without doing the calcs, the observations above imply
>if objects do pass out of dense part of the atmosphere during
>perigee, then they cool off rapidly.

>So I think this ends this possibility.

>>>Based on your updated SL3 web page, I want to re-emphasize the
>>>conflict of dates of the laser experiment photos. The mission
>>>report for Skylab 3...

>>>http://tinyurl.com/2jnrmg

>>>shows on page 5-3 that the dates of the laser photos are Sept 19
>>>(good ones) and Sept 20 (blurred ones). This conflicts with the
>>>laser experiment report which states the images were from Sept
>>>4. This is pretty important since on Sept 4 we had some fairly
>>>long duration "close" passes. I think the Skylab transcripts
>>>could help pinpoint/ confirm the times/days.

>>I am quite certain that the report is wrong in saying that the
>>laser experiments occurred on the 54th and 55th days (Sept 19 >
>>and 20). The guys who actually ran the laser (at Goddard) would
>>know what days they operated the laser (Sept 4 and 5) which are
>>days 39 and 40 of SL3.

>I am not so sure the Goddard report is right mainly because of
>the long amount of time between the blurred laser photos and
>the UFO photos. Given all the time they have to take pictures
>since there are alot of EREP passes between Sept 4 and
>Sept 20, it seems highly unlikely they would not film the Earth's
>surface. We need the transcript to be sure. How can we
>be definitive about the dates when there are conflicting officially
>reported values?

There was a long time between usages of this particular Nikon,
if the dates are correct (no use between Sept 4 and Sept 20).
However, there were four other Nikons available for use, some
with a 300 mm lens, so they could have taken pictures with other
cameras. The date of the red satellite observation is given in
the debriefing transcript as a week to ten days and in the
official report as 10 days. According to Oberg it was first
mentioned about 4.5 hours after the sighting while they were
still in orbit. He listed the day as Sept 20.

>>The report provided a little more information on the "red
>>satellite" sighting in section 10.5 labelled "Visual
>>Observations and Unusual Events." It says that the object
>>changed to a more reddish hue during the last 20 seconds of
>>visibility. This would make some sense if the object was red
>>colored (reflecting red).

>>Before entering the shadow transition region (where the sunlight
>>is reddened by the atmosphere) the object would be illuminated
>>by "white" light (direct sunlight). But while going through the
>>sunlight- redenned region, it would be illuminated by red light,
>>bringing out the red even more, but also being less bright.

>>This would seem to argue for red reflection rather than red
>>light emission.

>>However if the object were both reflecting sunlight like metal
>>("white" reflection) and also emitting bright red light (not a
>>"normal" satellite) then the resulting color would be a
>>"diluted" red (red emission plus white light reflection) while
>>above the shadow transition region. When the object went into
>>the reddened sun region the net color would no longer be a
>>"diluted" red but rather a "saturated" red (red emission plus
>>red reflection).

>Regarding red satellite/orbiting objects, a search on the web
>shows that the Lacrosse satellites 1-4 launched between 1989-
>2000 into inclinations from 57 deg to 68 deg appear to be red-
>orange due to being covered with Kapton thermal insulation.
>http://www.satobs.org/spysat.html

>ROSAT is another example shown in this image.

>http://wave.xray.mpe.mpg.de/rosat/calendar/1993/nov

>http://satobs.org/seesat/Aug-1995/0105.html

>Visual satellite observers have reported some possible others
>(unclear whether due to being close to eclipse exit/entry
>though):

>Meteo 1-11r (72-22B, 05918)

>http://satobs.org/seesat/Apr-2001/0169.html

Of course, the real question is whether or not any satellite in
1973 was red, and, of so, if it came anywhere near SL3 at the
time of the sighting.



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