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Re: Wikipedia UFO Entries & CSICOP/CSI

From: Robert Morningstar <robert_morningstar.nul>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:41:30 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:10:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Wikipedia UFO Entries & CSICOP/CSI

>From: Bill Chalker <bill_c.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:53:23 +1100
>Subject: Re: Wikipedia UFO Entries & CSICOP/CSI

>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:00:21 -0800
>>Subject: Wikipedia UFO Entries & CSICOP/CSI [was: Kaku...]

>I've been recently trying to edit a very slanted article on the
>ETH over on Wikipedia which failed to present such arguments in
>favor of the ETH. When I tried to insert some of Kaku's
>arguments and others by Bernard Haisch, one of the CSICOP
>debunkers came in and deleted them all - while leaving detailed
>arguments against untouched. He also censored my mention of
>opinion polls showing high levels of support for the reality of
>UFOs amongst the best educated (and the least amongst the poorly
>educated), and also a decent level of support for the ETH shown
>in 1970s polls of technical readers of Optical Spectra and
>Industrial Research/Development journals. And he censored a lot
>of historical material I documented showing clear discussion of
>the ETH even back in 1947 during the big U.S. flying saucer
>wave. Just one example, as noted in Ted Bloecher's review of
>the newspaper articles, is that a Pentagon spokesman on July 8,
>1947, felt it necesary to specificially deny that they were
>explained by "space ships". The article had previously tried to

>>While Wikipedia might be a good starting point for
>>information it should always be fact checked elsewhere.

>>Myself and others have had a sort of 'UFO history war' about
>>the Wikipedia entry on "Australian Ufology". It is a skewed,
>>unbalanced and troubled article that reflects the biases and
>>agendas of the anonymous edits.

>>My entry on my new UFO history keys blog and the links there
>>tell the sorry story.

>>While there has been some limited success with correcting
>>some of the problems it seems a waste of time trying to play
>>the Wikipedia 'edit game'. Read my article, Australian UFO
>>History Wars, which can be accessed via my blog:


>>Good luck with trying to sort your Wikipedia problems out.

Hello, David & Bill...

Perhaps, one possible solution may be to induce Wikipedia to
have a different format for "opinion issues" such as credence or
skeptism on as yet unresolved scientific mysteries (like UFOs)
or interpretations of historical events. A Pro/Con, or Point<-
>Counterpoint format would categorize the posts easily clearly.
 The poster would have to make a choice to target his/her

Of course, this would only be a partial solution as malicious
elements, i.e. those who are not satisfied simply with the right
to express expression but feel the need, impulse or compulsion
to quash the opinions of others, may still delete pertinent
material from UFO Positive sites.

In such cases, a Wiki oversight committee may be necessary to
counter such sabatoge efforts by checking the content of the
pro-site to insure good maintainance and to replace instantly
the material that has been targeted for deletion by forces
antagonistic to free expression of UFO related credence or

You have to realize that we are engaged in "Mind Wars" with
forces that seek to control the contents and thereby the
beliefs of the populace by curtailing free speech, creating
confusion, controversy and distraction to obfuscate information
about an alternate reality, which they fear.

This is a sometimes dangerous condition because frightened
people sometimes do frightening things.


Robert M*

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