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Re: The Fermi Death Sentence

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:01:15 -0700
Archived: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:47:58 -0500
Subject: Re: The Fermi Death Sentence


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:52:42 -0300
>Subject: Re: The Fermi Death Sentence

<snip>

>If the Universe was teeming with civilizations, it wouldn't be a
>matter of ignoring evidence for UFOs, alien abductions and such.
>Those are all things on Earth, a pale blue dot in an infinite
>Universe. It would be simply impossible to understand the
>mechanics of the Universe around us, because it would be
>presumably engineered by intelligent beings to best fit their
>purposes.

>It would be like an ant trying to explain how the house in which
>it lives was formed. If it had good science, it would hardly be
>able to explain it without realizing the human Overlords to
>which it is so dependent.


Hi Mori,

I have snipped away most of your well-argued comments to address
the above point a little further. I am in complete agreement
that the Fermi paradox is substantive and profound, regardless
of the status or origin of UFOs.

Let us suppose that the ants don't have particularly good
'science' - even if _they_ don't see it that way. Is it not
conceivable that they could develop a 'Theory of Houses' that
doesn't incorporate, or even recognize, what we would consider
the obvious clues to its 'artificial' nature?

Similarly to humans, they may uncover physical 'laws' based on
empirical data that seem quite general and predictive. For
example, "The Intersection of the Floor and a Wall Follows a
Straight Line"; If Such a Straight Line is Followed to an End
Point, A New Wall Emerges At Right Angles to the First", etc.

While they can only speculate as to how the Walls actually came
into being (whence came the Big Bang?), the properties of the
house as a whole can be made to fit quite nicely into a set of
'models' that account for what the ants are able to observe,
with perhaps a Ptolemaic 'epicycle' added now and again as
anomalies arise. The 'artificial' aspect of Houses per se is
transparent to the ants, or perhaps only vaguely suspected
(analagous to the human perception of the "unreasonable
effectiveness of mathematics").

By now you must have a growing sense of foreboding as we teeter
on the edge of the 'intelligent design' abyss. I similarly
recoil, but let us make bold for a moment and consider a less
sweeping proposal: is it possible that at least some of the
phenomena and processes in our cosmic environment derive from
intelligent behavior, but are unrecognized as such, and indeed
have been subsumed into our theories of physical 'laws'?

I offer this only for the sake of discussion, and not as a
viable resolution of the Fermi Paradox. Even if intelligence on
such a grand and exotic scale were extant, we are left with the
'continuum' problem: the default expectation is that there
should be a continuous spectrum of technological/intellectual
advancement amongst the ensemble of civilizations. It seems
unreasonable that all, or even most, of them would be
unrecognizable as such.


Mike



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