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Re: Faux Disclosure In The Works?

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:59:18 +0000
Archived: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:19:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Faux Disclosure In The Works?

>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:07:58 -0800
>Subject: Re: Faux Disclosure In The Works?

Hello David,


>Without speculating on what may or may not be going on now, 160
>total files for 60 years of investigation does not remotely
>constitute "disclosure." That's not even 3 cases a year. Give me
>a break!


I am afraid that you are a victim of exaggerated claims about
the efficacy of the MoD UFO desk (grandiosely and misleadingly
described as the 'British UFO Project' and invalidly compared to
'Project Blue Book').

You must also have missed the first paragraph that I wrote
specifically about the release:

"1. There are a total of 160 files managed by DAS and DI55 which
will be released. These cover a period from the late 1970s up to
2007, including a series of files containing FoIA requests and
their responses on the subject of UFOs from 2005 to present."

I think I need to explain a few things here.

Prior to 1967, UFO files in the UK were routinely destroyed
after 5 years. Due to the efforts of UK NICAP Committee chairman
at the time (Julian Hennessey), an undertaking was given to
Members of Parliament that UFO files would be retained in the
future. Consequently, there are very few files which have
survived from before 1962 (5 years before 1967).

Files are normally released to The National Archives by the MoD
after 30 years. In fact, some have been released early, and
files are currently available at TNA from 1962 up to 1978 at

The 160 files due to be released mainly cover from 1978-2007,
though there are some earlier documents within them.

Contrary to your apparent expectation, a file may contain
correspondence, multiple reports of UFOs, discussion of UFO
policy, newsclippings, etc. It is not usually the case that
details of a specific incident are exclusively housed in an
individual file, though there are notable exceptions, such as
the so-called 'Cosford Incident', and the 'Rendlesham file'.

Most of the reports comprise a report form (one or two pages),
often with just handwritten remarks by the UFO desk written on
them. Occasionally, there is some internal discussion of the
report (often along the lines of the UFO desk asking DI55 what
they think, and DI55 responding that it was/wasn't a satellite).
Less frequently there is more substantial dialogue about a
particular case, but rarely more than 7 or 8 pages in addition
to the report.

Your raised expectations aren't your fault - one could get the
impression from the 'Head' of the 'UFO Project' that cases were
regularly investigated in-depth, but in fact this was a very
rare occurrence. The 'UFO Project' consisted of a single person
who divided their UFO activities with other duties, typically
spending in the order of 25 percent of their time on UFOs.
Allowing for holidays and weekends, that only amounts to 50 man-
days of resource per _year_ and much of that time would be spent
drafting responses to dignitaries such as MP's on the topic of
UFOs and responding to enquiries from members of the public.
There wasn't the time or the resources to _really_ investigate
reports, just time to assess whether or not they were of Defence
significance in the vast majority of cases.

The quality of material will generally be better in the DI55
files, since the cases had already been filtered to a large
extent by the public-facing UFO desk (which was it's 'Raison

It will be interesting to see how many recorded radar/visual
cases there are for example, following claims elsewhere that
there are rather a lot of them. As I wrote at my site:

"Within the next three years, everyone will be able to see the
true level of interest and effectiveness demonstrated by the MoD
on the topic of UFOs for themselves. This release will be a
source of disappointment or vindication for some, and
embarrassment for others. Conspiracy theorists who believe that
the various governments of the world are hiding secrets about
the 'reality' of alien visitation will see this move as another
whitewash effort by the MoD and will probably continue their
self-sustaining 'campaign for the truth', when the 'truth'
really will be 'out there' - just that they don't believe it!"

Will the hype match the goods? We will soon see for ourselves.



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