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Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:50:48 -0800
Archived: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:37:47 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:19:05 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:12:42 -0800
>>Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>>Hi James,

>>I think the mistake here is regarding 'intelligence' as the
>>benchmark when 'tool-making' is the what sets humans apart from
>>our fellow creatures. Tool-making is convergent. Once that niche
>>is occupied by a species, certain physical and mental traits
>>will follow.

>>I realize that convergence is a complicated concept, but it's a
>>fact and should be considered when trying to understand our

>Ed, your splendid thoughts are always appreciated but I must
>take issue with yours this time. It is not tool-making per se
>that is viewed convergent (since some non-primates, even some
>insects, are observed employing tools,) it is the powerful
>prehensil thumb.


The niche is tool-making, not tool use. Tool use does imply
intelligence, but tool making takes us to another evolutionary
step. Chimps use tools, but are not dependent on them, humans
are. The prehensile thumb allows efficient use of tools and
probably evolved to accommodate tool making. Convergent
evolution makes us look at how we came to be in a different
light. There's more purpose and less random chance.

>Then there is your dogmatic insistance on the absolute that star
>travel is an impossibility. Why would someone of intelligence
>be so committed to minimalize a possiblity being more and more
>upheld by evidence?

Because I believe Einstein and nothing that I know of has
changed his insistence that as speed increases, so does mass.
While some individual scientists see room for hope, science
still insists that speed of light travel is impossible.

>It is far more of a leap to equate the beginnings of intelligence
>with environment and the convenience to adapt to it than to
>profess a limitation based on the physics of a science
>confounded constantly by anomaly.

I don't see it that way. We are tool users. That's the end of it.
We have been able to make better tools and these have allowed
accelerated learning and knowledge but if we didn't have tools,
we couldn't survive. God is not on our side. We are all handymen,
but lately we've received some help from our friends

>Of course, I would welcome your argument on why you believe

I believe it because our science says it's so, and there's no
evidence that our visitors are from other star systems.


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