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Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:33:01 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:48:14 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:50:48 -0800
>Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>>From: James Horak <jchorak7441.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:19:05 -0800 (PST)
>>Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:12:42 -0800
>>>Subject: Re: 'Why Would ET Evolve Human-Like Intelligence?'

>>>Hi James,

>>>I think the mistake here is regarding 'intelligence' as the
>>>benchmark when 'tool-making' is the what sets humans apart from
>>>our fellow creatures. Tool-making is convergent. Once that niche
>>>is occupied by a species, certain physical and mental traits
>>>will follow.

>>>I realize that convergence is a complicated concept, but it's a
>>>fact and should be considered when trying to understand our

>>Ed, your splendid thoughts are always appreciated but I must
>>take issue with yours this time. It is not tool-making per se
>>that is viewed convergent (since some non-primates, even some
>>insects, are observed employing tools,) it is the powerful
>>prehensil thumb.


>The niche is tool-making, not tool use. Tool use does imply
>intelligence, but tool making takes us to another evolutionary

I don't see this as any significant distinction, Ed, more an
unintended equivocation made by archeology trying to come
to terms with guideposts. When a chimp picks up a stick to
dip into a termitary and selects one long enough to reach
what's inside, but not too long to be cumbersome (breaking
some length off if it is... all this on videos obliged to us by
The Discover Channel and The Animal Channel) his
intelligent selection and refinements qualify as tool making.

But the larger question is, why doesn't the chimp progress as
has man? Important distinctions in the structure of the thumb
come into play then and we see a vastly greater ability for
articulation and grip of tool in man. To me, however, this still
doesn't determine what causes the evolutionary stream leading to

>Chimps use tools, but are not dependent on them, humans

There again, Ed, a distinction, in terms of this argument, that
is not relative to any causal factor because we have still not
accounted for what prefers man to progress and not chimp.

>The prehensile thumb allows efficient use of tools and
>probably evolved to accommodate tool making. Convergent
>evolution makes us look at how we came to be in a different

Convergent is just a word, Ed. In itself it shows us nothing. We
still have no causal grip on the process.

>There's more purpose and less random chance.

>>Then there is your dogmatic insistance on the absolute that star
>>travel is an impossibility. Why would someone of intelligence
>>be so committed to minimalize a possiblity being more and more
>>upheld by evidence?

>Because I believe Einstein and nothing that I know of has
>changed his insistence that as speed increases, so does mass.
>While some individual scientists see room for hope, science
>still insists that speed of light travel is impossible.

Just what I have seen of operating UFOs indicates to me close to
inter-stellar capability. I've seen them go from one horizan to
another in little more than a second and that's in our
atmosphere. What they can do in space might even be more

>>It is far more of a leap to equate the beginnings of intelligence
>>with environment and the convenience to adapt to it than to
>>profess a limitation based on the physics of a science
>>confounded constantly by anomaly.

>I don't see it that way. We are tool users. That's the end of it.
>We have been able to make better tools and these have allowed
>accelerated learning and knowledge but if we didn't have tools,
>we couldn't survive. God is not on our side. We are all handymen,
>but lately we've received some help from our friends

Friends you don't believe are from other star systems but that
possess technology far in advance of ours. So to hold to this
belief you take a stance on debunking star travel out of an idea
this bolsters your own theory?

Anybody can say so and so said so. Even Einstein had his
limitations and often relied upon others to refine both proofs
and theory. Too bad his discourses with Velikhofsky were
hampered by the cold war or refinements to this belief might
have been made as he approached a working unified field theory.

>>Of course, I would welcome your argument on why you believe

>I believe it because our science says it's so, and there's no
>evidence that our visitors are from other star systems.

There is certainly evidence they can get there though.

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