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Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:12:49 -0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:34:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough


>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:41:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:36:29 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:49:19 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

><snip>

>I agree, they are not a very good match with the Rex Heflin
>flying saucer but they happened to be the largest wheels they
>had in stock. Interestingly, some of the smaller plastic train
>wheels they had in stock were of a much closer match but my goal
>was to put the claims of Anonymous to the test and ignored
>these. Although I did look through several model train magazines
>they also carried, I did not find any 1/32 scale train wheels to
>examine. I am still searching.

Ah, so you knew these particular G-scale wheels were a poor
match, but selected them anyway because your goal was to test
whether some quite different wheels at a different scale (which
you hadn't got) might have the same proportions as the Heflin
object? Huh? And your focus on this impossible task was so
single minded that you decided to completely ignore some other
wheels, of yet a third type which you not identify or
illustrate, which you tell us _were_ a close match to the Heflin
object?

This is all utter piffle, Nick. You started this ball rolling by
originally telling us:

>As I write, I have beside me a set of
>large "G Scale" metal wheels for model trains that I recently
>tracked down and purchased out of town which have the same
>shape, ratios of thicknesses and diameters and even the angles
>of the rims with the famous Rex Heflin UFO

Well these 'measurements' were all rapidly proved, on your own
photo evidence, to be untrue. Why should we believe you now
about those unidentified plastic train wheels that you didn't
even 'have beside you' (because they were such a good match to
the Heflin object that you decided to ignore them)?

<snip>

>Martin Shough comments that there is a very prominent protruding
>boss on my wheel which is absent from the Heflin flying saucer
>are valid as long as we remember that it is the "G Scale" wheel
>we are making the comparison with.

Yes let's remember that. Let's remember that this was one of
five "valid" differences I pointed out and which you claimed
were not there.

>Not all model train wheels have such protruding bosses and the
>elusive 1/32 scale wheel may not either. Even if it did, it
>would be easy to remove with a file.

Let's also remember that I pointed out on-List months ago that
some dedicated modellers machine their own parts, and that this
fact, added to the tremendous variety of proprietary wheels and
wheel-like objects out there (yes, I've looked), makes it
ultimately a fruitless exercise. Armed with files, lathes, glue,
solder and what-have-you we can make anything look like
something else. Ultimately, somehow, somewhere, someone quite
possibly has produced an object that has the same proportions
(within some acceptable measurement error bars) as the Heflin
object, and if you go through enough hobby shops, old tool boxes
and garage sales you may eventually find one. You acknowledge
yourself that even if we do eventually find such a thing it's
likely to remain inconclusive.

It would be hard enough to prove a hoax on this basis, because
the same would be true whatever the hell this Heflin object
looked like; but if you make reports about such objects that are
proveably untrue, and try to cover your error with explanations
that are palpably senseless, then your task becomes impossible.


Martin Shough




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