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Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Hall

From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:27:45 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:37:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Hall

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:02:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:00:59 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:49:19 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:18:52 -0700
>>>>Subject: Model Train Wheels & Heflin [was: Dan Aykroyd Has


>Hi Martin,

>The exact type and shape of the Rex Heflin flying saucer is
>unique in ufology. For this reason alone it deserves special

This is absolutely untrue! It is far from unique.

>Yes, one can argue that the Heflin flying saucer is not unique
>by presenting many examples of very similar saucers, nearly all
>of which date after 1965 when he took these famous polaroid
>pictures. One of these similar saucers to Heflin's appeared in
>the popular TV series 'The Invaders' which was first broadcast
>in 1967. There are also drawings and photos that allege to be
>actual flying saucers by Nazi Germany that also very closely
>resemble Heflin's saucer that only became available to UFO
>researchers since 1965. Are these simply "copy cats" of Heflin's
>saucer that some very experienced ufologists (one with the
>initials R.H.) at the time accepted as real?

I still accept them as real, and am becoming very fed up with
your sort of illogic and unreason. - R.H.

This last paragraph is a totally phony argument! That shape of
UFO was reported many times before 1965. Which, of course, to
you probably "proves" that Heflin based his "fakes" on those
earlier reports. You love to have it both ways.

>If you accept these other examples of flying saucers that are
>very similiar to Helflin's, then so are my "G model" metal train

A donkey is similar to a horse. That doesn't make it a horse.

>Your ratios for height to diameter; dome diameter to the total
>diameter; relative thickness and angle of the flange to the dome
>and observations that Heflin's dome is not cylindrical are
>similar to what I obtained but there are two important but not
>so obvious things to consider.

>First, there is the diffraction of light effect around objects
>photographed in bright light. This effect will introduce
>uncertainties in our measurements and will also "round" corners
>and is present around all objects. If the object is very small,
>like Helfin's saucer, the uncertainties in our measurements are
>increased since the measurements will be comparible in size to
>the uncertainties.

>Second, there is the issue of perspective. Take the saucer
>shaped helmet that Canadian soliders wore in combat during WWI
>as an example. The diameter of an extended object like the
>helmet's rim that's closer to the observer or camera than the
>helmet's central dome will be larger in diameter than when the
>same helmet is far away (more than a meter or so).

>"Although the shape, thickness, ratio of diameters and angles
>are very similar to the flying saucer image in Rex Heflin's
>polaroid pictures, they are clearly not identical within our
>measuring uncertainty." And, "I am still looking for the larger
>1/32 scale model train wheel from the 1960s that Anonymous
>mentioned in his e-mail to the UFO UpDates List (see below).
>Once I do, I will do a comparision with the flying saucer image
>in Rex Heflin's polaroid pictures and make the results of my
>analysis known to the UFO UpDates List. Until then, we cannot
>yet rule out the claim that this flying saucer image is really a
>model train wheel."

I have never seen so many false assumptions and so much circular
reasoning in one place!

As long as there are unexamined model train wheels out there,
which you will endlessly search for, you can maintain your false
assumption that the Heflin photos are fakes. As someone who was
in charge of a very intensive investigation of Heflin the
person, his claims, his reputation among peers, and all the
facts of the case, including the original photo enhancements at
JPL, I resent what amounts to your character assassination of

It is reasonable to do (as Martin Shough and others have done)
to test the hoax hypothesis by re-eximing the photos, but you
need to keep in mind that there is little or no reason to assume
that it is true and constantly claim you are one model train
wheel away from proving it. Keep spinning your wheels! You will
go nowhere.

>I have been contacted off-list by others who have other model
>train wheels that have a much closer or identical match to the
>Heflin flying saucer. I too have several other metallic and non-
>metallic wheels from smaller gauge model trains that better
>match the Heflin flying saucer but until I can track down and
>obtain the right 1/32 scale model train wheel (several types
>depending on the type of locomotive or car), this remains an
>ongoing project for me. If such new material evidence forces us
>to cast reasonable doubt about Rex Heflin's UFO account and we
>conclude that it was just another hoax, then this is not a bad
>thing for ufology or our search for the truth.

I've been contacted by people who claim that pigs can fly. I
guess I'll have to set up observation posts and tracking

>That said, I am now very excited about another high profile UFO/
>alien abduction case that may too prove to be a hoax - the Betty
>Andreasson affair that respected UFO researcher Raymond Fowler
>investigated and wrote about in several books. The reason I am
>excited is that Betty Andreasson is the only high profile
>example other ufologists have presented as proof to me that
>Christians (those who will invoke the name of Jesus at times of
>trouble and identify themselves as children of "Our Father") can
>also be abducted by "aliens" against their will too.

If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. You too may
prove to be a hoax. There is always that possibility.

>If this 3 decade old case is also shown to be a hoax, then we
>will have made one giant step in our understanding of the UFO/
>alien abduction phenomenon. These "aliens" who seem to know
>about and fear God are not visitors from other planets but very
>much from our own world or reality and through their behaviour
>can be better understood and identified as "demons", the name
>they were known by pre-space age generations.

If you keep assuming what you prefer to believe and then conduct
pseudo-science to "prove" it, we will have more of this sort of
false reasoning and wishful thinking instead of reliable

 - Dick (a.k.a., RH)

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