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Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:49:19 -0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:41:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough


>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:02:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:00:59 -0000
>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:49:19 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

<snip some headers>

>>>>>As I write, I have beside me a set of
>>>>>large "G Scale" metal wheels for model trains that I
>>>>>recently
>>>>>tracked down and purchased out of town which have the same
>>>>>shape, ratios of thicknesses and diameters and even the
>>>>>angles
>>>>>of the rims with the famous Rex Heflin UFO.

>>>http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ufophotos/

<snip>

>The reason I took and posted the five photos of the "G Scale"
>metal train wheel on the ImageShack website was because I was
>requested to and so that everyone could see for themselves.

Nick

I'm afraid this absolutely will not do. Yes, you were asked to
justify the claim by posting the images, and everyone now can
indeed see for themselves that your claim was bogus. You still
have not addressed the question of why you made statements in
the first place that were patently untrue.

>Although your observations and comments are appreciated, you are
>mistaken if you think that these photos "indicate that all your
>(my) statements are untrue".

Excuse me? Is this patronising clap-trap supposed to gull
readers into believing that I made up your claim, or in my well-
meaning stupidity somehow misinterpreted it? Perhaps the words
"have the same shape, ratios of thicknesses and diameters" etc
actually have, to a mind as subtle as yours, some different
meaning than "the same shape, ratios of thicknesses and
diameters"?

>I also wrote the following things,
>among others, which you chose to delete in your reply:

No you didn't "also write" those words, Nick, you wrote them in
a _second_ email when, as a result of having been called, you
realised you were obliged to show your cards. Knowing that you
were not going to be able to show the hand you had attempted to
bluff us into thinking you held, you now had to try to flannel
your way out of trouble by applying some spin, vide:

>"Although the shape, thickness, ratio of diameters and angles
>are very similar to the flying saucer image in Rex Heflin's
>polaroid pictures, they are clearly not identical within our
>measuring uncertainty."

My, my - I wonder how on earth we ever got the impression in the
first place that the wheels _were_ identical? This Mr. Balaskas
sounds so judicuous and objective that I'm sure it can't have
had anything to do with him. After all he had the wheels "at his
side" as he spoke and must have measured them, so how could he
possibly have told such a porky? Perhaps we dreamed it?

>And, "I am still looking for the larger
>1/32 scale model train wheel from the 1960s that Anonymous
>mentioned in his e-mail to the UFO UpDates List (see below).
>Once I do, I will do a comparision with the flying saucer image
>in Rex Heflin's polaroid pictures and make the results of my
>analysis known to the UFO UpDates List. Until then, we cannot
>yet rule out the claim that this flying saucer image is really
>a model train wheel."

One claim we can definitely rule out is your claim that:

>>>>>..."G Scale" metal wheels for model trains that I recently
>>>>>tracked down and purchased out of town . . . have the same
>>>>>shape, ratios of thicknesses and diameters and even the
>>>>>angles of the rims with the famous Rex Heflin UFO.

>I have been contacted off-list by others who have other model
>train wheels that have a much closer or identical match to the
>Heflin flying saucer. I too have several other metallic and
>non-metallic wheels from smaller gauge model trains that better
>match the Heflin flying saucer

Really, well perhaps you should have led with your best
evidence, not with evidence destined to collapse at the first
glance. Will you now post images of the wheels in your
possession which are a "better match"? Will those others who
have contacted you consider posting images of their own wheels
which, you say, this time really are an "identical match"?

>but until I can track down and
>obtain the right 1/32 scale model train wheel (several types
>depending on the type of locomotive or car), this remains an
>ongoing project for me. If such new material evidence forces us
>to cast reasonable doubt about Rex Heflin's UFO account and we
>conclude that it was just another hoax, then this is not a bad
>thing for ufology or our search for the truth.

If evidence forces us to conclusions that is always a very fine
thing. Go to it. But so far the only evidence you have presented
has forced us to the conclusion that your own claim to have
discovered wheels with the same measurement ratios as the Heflin
object was bogus. That'll do me as today's contribution to "our
search for truth".


Martin Shough





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