From: Eustaquio Andrea Patounas <socex.ufobras.nul> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:18:59 -0200 Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:25:42 -0500 Subject: Interview With Stanton Friedman Interview With Stanton Friedman By Milton Frank Brazilian Ufologya Center President http://www.cubbrasil.net/staton.html 1 - Why did you start to get involved with Ufology? Have you ever seen a UFO? If so, can you tell us how your experience was? I was ordering books from a mail order bookseller in 1958 as a 24 year old nuclear physicist working on nuclear airplanes for the General Electric Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Department in Cincinnati, Ohio, and needed one more book so I wouldn't have to pay shipping. I saw Captain Edward G. Ruppelt's book "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects" marked down from $2.95 to 1$. I read it and was intrigued. My neighbor, to whom I lent the book, was an engineer ten years older than I was. He was more impressed. I moved to California to work on other nuclear projects and read about 15 more books some of which were junk, then I found Project Blue Book Special Report Number 14 at the Univ. of California Library in Berkeley and was shocked to find so much data and also lies from the Secretary of the Air Force. I joined APRO and NICAP, appeared on a Radio talk shown in Pittsburgh, by now working on nuclear rockets for Westinghouse Astronuclear Lab. A technician at work heard me and asked me to speak to her book review group. I gave more and more talks "Flying Saucers ARE Real" to professional groups who responded very well and to colleges. In 1970 when the advanced nuclear and space business hit a low, I went full time lecturing about "Flying Saucers ARE Real". Have now spoken at well over 600 colleges and over 100 Professional groups in all 50 U.S. States, 9 Canadian provinces and 16 other countries, including twice in Brazil.I have never seen a flying saucer. But then I have never seen a neutron or a gamma ray 2 - When did you start to be interested in Roswell Case? What was Jesse Marcel influence on it? How did you meet Jesse Marcel? I first heard about the Roswell case in about 1973 from Lydia Sleppy who worked at a radio station in Albuquerue, NM, and recalled a 1947 call from a sister station in Roswell dictating a story about a crashed saucer being taken to Wright Patterson Air Force base. She was typing his dictation on the newswire when the FBI interrupted and said does not continue this transmission. I found some of the people she recalled, but couldn't get very far. In 1978 I was supposed to do three interviews at a TV station promoting my evening lecture at Louisiana State University, there in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The third reporter was nowhere to be found. The station manager was apologetic, because he knew I had other things to do. He gave me coffee and was looking at his watch and suddenly said "the person you should talk to is Jesse Marcel". I said "Who is he?" He said "He is a great guy. We are old amateur radio buddies. He handled the wreckage of one of those saucers you are interested in when he was in the Military". I asked for more information and was told that Jesse lived in Houma, Louisiana, and that I should talk to him. Then the reporter showed up. The next day from the airport I called information, got a number for Jesse and called him. He told me his story, but didn't have the exact date. I shared that with my colleague Bill Moore and also shared a lead I was given after a lecture in Bemidji, Minnesota, some months later, about the Barney Barnett story of a NM saucer crash. I shared that, too, the very next day because Bill lived in Minnesota. He had a third story about an English Actor, Hughie Green, who heard a story on the radio about a crashed saucer in New Mexico, while driving from Los Angeles to Philadelphia. He could recall it was late June or Early July, 1947. Bill went to the Univ. of Minnesota Library and found the story which confirmed what Jesse had told me and gave many more names. Over the next 2 years Bill and I managed to locate 62 people connected with the events. The First book "The Roswell Incident" was published in 1980. Jesse, as the intelligence officer for the 509th, the most elite military group in the world, and his son Jesse Marcel Jr., a Colonel, Medical doctor, Flight surgeon, and helicopter pilot in Iraq, are very important witnesses. Jesse Sr. died in 1986. Jesse Jr. has recently written a new book "Roswell: It Really Happened" for which I wrote the foreword. It will be out in July. 3 - What make you believe that two flying saucers had an accident in New Mexico in 1947? The Marcel story was about what was found on the Foster Ranch operated by Mack Brazel about 80 miles North of Roswell. The Barnett story was about the Plains of San Agustin well over 100 miles west. We found supportive testimony from neighbors, relatives etc. 4 - Some years ago it was published in internet that the responsible for Roswell Funerary House never be in a date with a base nurse. Is this correct? How do you deal with the possibility of the witness are simply lying about it? We must remember that Roswell Case happened a long time ago after you started to search it. I was the first to talk to Glenn Dennis and visited the Ballard Funeral Home with him and located somebody who had been stationed at the base and confirmed recalling nurse Naomi Self and described her the same way Glenn had. The Funeral Home certainly had the contract with the base to supply both mortuary services (there were plane crashes with bodies) and ambulance services using the hearses. We tried to get confirmatory evidence on all stories. People's memories were much fresher in the 1970s and 1980s then they are now. We also have many contemporary newspaper jornais da =E9poca (a maioria =E9 ignorada pelos c=E9ticos). 5 - What do you think about the official version about Roswell Case given by US government? The 2 large government stories are masterpieces of misrepresentation as I have documented in several places and in my book TOP SECRET/MAJIC. Loaded with specific false statements and lies... A typical example is the claiming that crash test dummies accounted for the reports of alien bodies. The fact is none were dropped until 1953 and that all the dummies were 6'tall and weighed 175 pounds... hardly 3.5-4 feet high guys with big heads. 6 - Do you believe that the supposed crashed UFOS were taken to AREA 51? What do you think about Bob's Lazar opinion about it? Area 51 didn't exist in 1947. Lazar is a total fraud, not a scientist etc as I have noted in an article about him on my website at www.stantonfriedman.com 7 - How did you get in touch with MJ-12 documents? Do you believe in those documents? In your opinion, are they true? I was working closely with Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera and was informed when the roll of film was received in Dec. 1984 and processed and had the Eisenhower Briefing Document, The Truman Forestall Memo. In Washington I found that certain USAF Headquarters documents were being declassified and informed Bill and Jaime. Once that was completed they went to DC and discovered the Cutler Twining memo in Record Group 341 at the National Archives. I have written very extensively about my research in my book "TOP SECRET/MAJIC ' (2nd Edition 2005) and in several papers (two are on my website at www.stantonfriedman.com ) my reasons for concluding after a great deal of investigation (and visits to 20 Archives) that the 3 documents are genuine as very likely is SOM1.01 and that a host of supposed MJ-12 documents are NOT genuine.. These are the ones received by Timothy Cooper. Each document must be taken on its own merits. 8 - Usually you believe that the truth about UFOS is hidden to the public? If this is really true, what are the reasons for the governments hide a lot of UFO facts from all the people? My paper "The UFO 'Why?' Questions" on my website deals with this question in depth. Briefly: 1. Governments want to figure how the saucers work, as they make wonderful weapons delivery and defense systems. Rule No. 1 for security is that one can't tell one's friends without telling one's enemies. 2. Since sightings and probably crashes occur all over, one must be concerned about one's enemies determining how the saucers work before we do. We don't want them to know we know they know. 3. If an announcement were to be made, I think church attendance and mental hospital admissions would go up, the stock market would go down and many people would start thinking of us as Earthlings rather than as Brazilians, Canadians, Americans, etc. No national government wants that. 4 Certain religious fundamentalists, such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson insist that only Earth has intelligent beings and that the UFOs are the work of the devil. Their faith would be shattered. 5. If an announcement would be made about more advanced beings coming here, one might soon expect better means of energy production, ground and air transport, computers and communication systems. Therefore economic chaos. 6. I have heard seven accounts of airplanes being destroyed by flying saucers when they were being attacked. No government wants to admit that. 9 - What is your opinion about abductions cases? Do you believe in abductions? Are there any evidences to make people really believe in abductions in your opinion? As with documents each case must be taken on its own merits. I have a very large "Gray basket" for reports without sufficient data on which to base a scientific conclusion. I am absolutely convinced that some aliens have abducted some Earthlings. I am a physicist not a "believer". There are many cases provided by Dr. David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins, and Dr. John Mack etc that do provide evidence. I am particularly intrigued by the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill and the accompanying star map described by Betty. Betty's niece Kathleen Marden and I have just completed a new book "Captured: The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience" with information that has never before been published. Career Press will publish it this coming summer. We would love to have a Brazilian publisher for that book and for my books "Crash at Corona" and "TOP SECRET/MAJIC". 10 - Why are so difficult people to believe in aliens' life forms and in the possibility that they are able to visit us here in your opinion? The public opinion polls indicate that there are more believers than non believers and that the greater the education the more likely to believe in UFOs. The problem is that the press and the scientific community and the government have issued loads of false propaganda giving most people the false impression that most other people do not accept UFO reality. I have checked my more than 700 lecture audiences in 18 countries and find that while 10% believe they have seen a flying saucer, 90% of them did not report what they saw for fear of ridicule. I come on very strongly and have only had 11 hecklers, 2 of who were drunk. 11 - What make you believe that all scientific conventions are correct, remembering that man created them? Do you believe that man is able to create them alone? Or do you believe that man had an external help? I have often pointed out that technological progress comes from doing things differently in an unpredictable way. The history of science is loaded with false claims about flight, space travel, air travel and claims of impossibility that turn out to be totally wrong based on the 4 basic premises of the debunkers: 1. Don bother me with the facts, my mind is made up. 2. What the public doesn't know, I won't tell them. 3. If you can't attack the data, attack the people. 4 Do your research by proclamation, because investigation is too much trouble. 12 - A lot was speculated about MJ-12 and a lot of things were invented by people and the press, but one comment really caused a doubt to us; people said that MJ-12 sold the idea about friendly aliens in movies like "Close Encounters" and "ET - The Extra-Terrestrial", is it really true? This is nonsense. Nothing in the MJ-12 documents says anything about friendly aliens. People have suggested that the government may have secretly convinced Hollywood to portray friendly aliens so people won't be frightened. That has nothing to do with the reality of flying saucers or MJ-12. Those depend on data and on evidence as noted in my books and reports. 13 - Still about MJ-12, what did really make President Truman to hire the twelve famous scientists and militaries in your opinion? Was it related with Extra Terrestrial or was there another focus? An outstanding group was established in secret to deal with the extraordinary new development. They all already had government connections and all had served in one way or another during WW 2. There were 2 army, 2 navy, 2 Air Force, 5 scientists and the new secretary of defense. None were elected officials. Recovering the wreckage of alien spaceships and bodies was a national security problem of great importance. How do the craft work, what is the motivation of the aliens, are they working with anybody on this planet, are they a threat? How do we combine analytical work studying the wreckage with results of airborne instrumentation and radar to evaluate the flight capabilities and how they might be duplicated? MJ-12 was a very sensible response. 14 - In a recent episode we saw a Russian ex-agent being killed by a lethal radioactive contamination. Do you believe in many people being killed for the same reason? Are there any government interests on it? What are the reasons for US government undercover important subjects like this in your opinion? I have no possible way of knowing how extensive the practice is. Obviously governments would be interested in a wide variety of techniques for dealing with their enemies. This was pretty crude. Publicizing details of techniques for surreptitious killings doesn't seem a very sensible procedure. I don't give children guns to play with. 15 - Area 51 and Bob Lazar, just was characters in a "goofy" comedy to cover the death by radioactive contamination on that supposed facility, like Robert Frost death, or really exist something mysterious inside the hangars of Area 51 that wasn't projected by "Skunk Works"? I see nothing describable as a Goofy comedy. Area 51 was established to develop new advanced highly classified military systems such as the U-2, theSR-71, The Stealth fighter, the Aurora, various unmanned aerial vehicles, etc, etc. Its remoteness makes it sensible for testing of such systems hardly feasible in secret near the Skunk Works in California. 16 - MIBS, Men in Black, are they true or lie? And what is your opinion about the "privacy invasion" imposed by the US government? People have on occasion been threatened. Whether these are government people or hoaxsters. I have no idea. Governments always want to invade our privacy. 17 =96 If we look deeply to the sky we'll find uncountable galaxies, stars, planets and so on. Based on it, we can affirm categorically that we aren't alone in this big universe! Like a scientist, what give you a credit to believe in life outside Earth? Yes, the universe is huge. Unlike the SETI cultists, my conclusions about Ets are based on study of the enormous amount of evidence that aliens are visiting. I am totally unmoved by proclamations about the huge universe and we can't be alone etc. The evidence (always ignored by the nasty noisy negativists and the SETI cultists) is convincing. SETI really stands for Silly Effort to Investigate. Sim, o universo =E9 enorme. Ao contr=E1rio dos adoradores do SETI, minhas conclus=F5es sobre ETs s=E3o baseadas no estudo da enorme quantidade de evid=EAncia que os alien=EDgenas est=E3o nos visitando. Eu n=E3o sou movido por publica=E7=F5es sobre o universo enorme e n=F3s n=E3o podemos estar s=F3s, etc. As evid=EAncias (ignorada sempre pelos nojentos e barulhentos negativistas e pelos adoradores do SETI) s=E3o convincentes. SETI est=E1 realmente para Silly Effort To Investigate (Esfor=E7o Idiota Para Investigar). 18 - I really would like you to leave a message to The Brazilian Ufology Center. Right now we have almost 30.000 members and they really would like to hear what you have to say to them. After 49 years of study and investigation, I can safely state that aliens are visiting earth (some UFOs are of alien origin), that a small percentage of government people have known this for at least 60 years, that there are no good arguments against these conclusions, and that the matter of flying saucer visitations and the cover-up of the best data, bodies and wreckage, by governments, is the biggest story of the past millennium. We on Earth must stop acting like a primitive society whose major activity is clearly tribal warfare. We need to recognize that the best hope for a decent future is recognition we are not the most advanced body of beings in the local neighborhood, and that we need to grow up and use our resources for the planet instead of for killing each other. I am still an optimist that the truth will out despite the resistance of those in power.
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