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Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:32:41 -0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:56:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Shough

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:13:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>From: John Scheldroup <jschel.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:34:18 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:12:57 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>>From: John Scheldroup <jschel.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:18:01 -0600
>>>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>>>Here's an image blowup from that earlier post which got



>>>Any more?

>>World War II Gauge 1 Marklin Tank Car

>>Put the image into Photoshop size/brightness/contrast, you will
>>discover the wheels are solid filled and black.


>John, you may have solved the 40 year-old plus Heflin UFO case!

>These Gauge 1 or 1:32 scale train wheels on this old tank car
>are not only solid filled but have exactly the same shape,
>and special features of Heflin's flying saucer! This is a very
>important find as it confirms of the claims made by 'Anonymous'
>(see below) and supports the opinion by many that this very
>unique flying saucer does indeed look like a model train wheel!


As I said in direct reply to John, there is in fact _one_ ratio
measurable here that is close to that of Heflin's object, that
of "dome" diameter to total diameter. It is not true that this
tank wheel has "exactly the same shape" since we don't have any
idea what the depth or profile of the wheel is. Moreover your
reference to other unidentified "special features" that it
supposedly shares with Hewflin's object is simply baffling. Your
persistence in defence of the claim made by Anonymous,
unembarrassed by repeated pratfalls, has the appearance either
of ideological zealotry or of a personal interest. If you wish
this one small success to count you would do well to moderate
your inaccurate claims about it.

>"A 1/32 scale drive wheel of a model steam locomotive" is
>precisely what the 'craft' is. Particularly insightful is his
>observation "You can just make out the wheel hub protruding off
>the face of the wheel."


Having invented an unproven identity between Heflin's object and
John's tank car wheel you go on to tell us that this "confirms
the claims made by anonymous", when in fact that individual,
claiming personal knowledge, told us that it was not a car wheel
at all but - "precisely" - a locomotive drive wheel. Sigh.

But no matter, because you simultaneously contradict yourself by
introducing yet another and differently-shaped wheel which
_also_ "fully agrees" with the Heflin object in all respects
(this one is not a loco drive wheel either, BTW, but a bogey):

>For those that still have doubts, they can take measurements off
>the close-up image of the Gauge 1 or 1:32 scale train wheels on
>this other old Marklin model steam engine. Finally we have a
>model train wheel which fully agrees, within measurement errors,
>with all the things our friend Martin Shough noted about the
>Heflin flying saucer.


>Now that we have this reasonable doubt (if not the smoking gun
>itself), I think I can safely predict what the verdict will be
>after ufology finishes its work with the reopening of the
>Heflin UFO case.

I can't resist the observation that if you should ever find
yourself holding a smoking gun, then the first thing you ought
look for is a hole in your foot. If you are not embarrassed
yourself, then I am embarrassed for you, because yet again you
invite us to make simple measurements that prove you wrong. This
time we have what appears to be a slight taper, a good start,
and a rough estimate of depth to diameter corrected for
perspective suggests a ratio around 3.4, with enough uncertainty
to accommodate Heflin's ~3.8. However the ratio of dome-to-
diameter on these loco bogeys is quite clearly very close to
1.24. Not even the most favourable assumptions about the Heflin
photo could possibly get the corresponding ratio down _anywhere
near_ this figure, which I estimate as probably 1.45, Mike
Tarbell somewhat less but still a good 10% larger than this

(Mike's measurements all appear to be consistently a little
smaller than mine presumably because we are tending to take
consistently different points in the blur zones of wheel photos
and saucer photo to represent the "edge", but our ratios are
pretty much the same. In this case, again, there is no question
of "measurement error" rescuing so large a discrepancy.)

>On April 14 I plan to meet with Jeff Stimson, Sales Manager for
>Marklin at a special show and presentation he will give at the
>Marriott Hotel in Vaughan (a city north of Toronto). I will
>bring along my vernier caliper to take more precise measurements
>of Marklin's 1 Gauge or 1:32 scale wheels. I will reserve
>judgement on whether or not I believe Rex Heflin was the
>purpetrator of a clever hoax - the first and very likely not the
>last, even among the UFO images still accepted as authentic by
>ufologists - until then.

I don't think anybody who has read your posts on this topic will
believe that you are "reserving judgment" now any more than you
have so far. That is a very good two-word summary of the one
thing you have consistently, and proveably, failed to do.

Martin Shough

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