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Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Ledger

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:05:04 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:02:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin - Ledger


>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:34:21 -0700
>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

>>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:10:11 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>>Subject: Re: Model Train Wheels & Heflin

><snip>

>>Although the flying saucer images are small on all three Heflin
>>polaroid pictures and thus appear very blurry and not very well
>>defined when blown up, the saucer still looks like a typical
>>model train wheel. Compare this with the small image of the
>>"Face on Mars" that was first noticed in a picture taken by
>>Viking 1 in 1976 when it was later compared to a much higher
>>resolution picture taken with the Mars Global Surveyor decades
>>afterwards. There are still people today that cannot accept that
>>these two pictures are depictions of the same "Face".

>>Last night I made a quick search on eBay for large scale model
>>train wheels, preferably "1:32 scale" and from old steam
>>engines, especially those manufactured in England (possibly by
>>Roundhouse or Astor). I did not find any but I did make a bid on
>>some assorted old wheels from England after I noticed that the
>>two smaller wheels on an axis on the upper right part of this
>>picture had the same relative thicknesses and ratios that Martin
>>obtained for the Heflin object!

>>Go to the URL below and check for yourself.

>>http://tinyurl.com/yqn949

>>Even though my search for the right model train wheel continues,
>>like the "Face on Mars", there will be those that will never be
>>convinced that they were mistaken.

>Nick,

>I think once again you misrepresent the degree of match between
>your newfound eBay wheels and the Heflin object. I have
>extracted the wheel images and the objects in Heflin frames 1
>and 3, and combined them into a single image with their
>diameters scaled to match. See:

>http://tinyurl.com/2jr3ba

>Again, the resemblance is undeniable, but they are _not_ a
>geometric match to the Heflin object, as you claim.

>For example, the outer-rim-to-inner-hub diameter ratio in the
>model wheels is firmly in the range 1.22 - 1.25, while the
>Heflin object is somewhere in the range 1.32 - 1.46.

I don't want to pursue this thread again. But I want to mention
that if the Heflin object is indeed hoaxed using a model of toy
train wheel, that wheel would have been a highly inaccurate copy
of a train wheel.

1] The bottom rim of the UFO representing the flange on a train
wheel is too deep for an authentic train wheel flange by a
factor of at least 1.5 to 2.

2] There is no tapering of the "run" [the part that runs on the
rail] from the hub into the rim on a real train wheel. Were that
the case a real train's wheels would quickly roll the rails over
from an outward pushing force [wedge effect] from the hundreds of
such wheels on both side of the cars and engine units pushing
slightly outwards. The rails roll over well enough on their own
without help from "tapered" runs. The run is made to be parallel
to the axel to put as much of a downward force directly through
the rail as possible to prevent outward or inward pressures.

I suspect the reason that model train wheel "runs" are tapered
is to aid in getting them out of their molds and for no other
reason.

3] There is no excuse for the flange being as deep as it is in
the photos however and is the stumbling block for me.


Don






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