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Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:17:29 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:02:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:09:22 -0800
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:28:36 -0500 (EST)
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:29:41 -0800
>>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>Ed, why in the world would you quote Frank Drake or other
>>astronomers who know nothing at all about space flight?


>I quoted Frank Drake because he was included in the debate on
>the frequency of ET life. I could have used quotes from the
>other scientists in the discussion. All but one scientist was
>negative on star travel. It's about the same across the entire
>scientific community. Check out the article just posted to the
>list discussing Americans' knowledge of basic science. It's
>hardly an endorsement by the scientific establishment of your

>>They are as useful in such a discussion as Dr. Campbell was in
>>claiming that the weight of a rocket able to get a man to the
>>moon and back would be a million million tons. He was off by a
>>factor of 300 million... or Dr. Bickerton who 'proved' it would
>>be impossible to put anything in orbit around the earth.

>So what? My point is that the scientific community is skeptical
>of star travel and use this skepticism to discredit all UFO. As
>far as they are concerned, we should both in the same straight

>>The noisy negativists like you are doing their research by
>>proclamation not investigation.

>Sorry, I'm an investigator and an adherent to the scientific
>method, while you're a propagandist.

>>Did you ever read my paper "Star
>>Travel? YES!" and the references therein given?

>Yes I did read it and have it here beside me as I type. It's
>simple minded and not at all convincing.

>>It is past time for you to do your homework. If you want to know
>>about brain surgery, try asking the surgeons instead of the guys
>>who mop the floor in the operating room.

>Frank Drake is like a guy who mops up the surgery? Now that's
>what I call "over the top".


I am glad you have read my paper. Did you read any of
the references?

Yes, Frank Drake and the entire SETI community know nothing
about space travel. They do have a very strong vested interest
in proclaiming that it is impossible.

After all as soon as one admits that interstellar travel is
feasible for us - with an enormous expenditure of funds - here
and now, then that opens the doors for other older civilizations
to have accomplished it millions of years ago.

If aliens are indeed coming here, as the evidence so
overwhelmingly indicates, than who needs SETI?

Space technology efforts along with advanced aircraft, nuclear
powered ships, stealth aircraft, nuclear weapons,etc were done
in industry and in national labs. They were not accomplished in

Read Drake's comments about how much energy is required for
interstellar travel (proclamations) in Are We Alone? with Dava
Sobel. Clearly not a shred of knowledge about space travel... or
about UFOs.

Same goes for Seth Shostak's frequent proclamations about "No
convincing evidence for UFOs" with never a mention of the large
scale scientific studies to which he has been referred.

These emperors of science have no clothes, Ed. Their case
against UFOs and interstellar travel is bereft of reason.

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