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Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11? -

From: Lan Fleming <lfleming6.nul>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:09:55 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:34:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11? -

>From: Jeff Olson <jlolson.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:57:28 -0600
>Subject: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11?

>I have reviewed the UFO UpDates archived posts and found them
>extremely non-substantive on the subject of anomalous craft
>photographed near the Twin Towers at the time of the attacks.

>Next to no technical analysis was offered. Someone (I think it
>was Brad Sparks) suggested that they were distant aircraft,
>which is clearly contradicted by an object flying in and out of
>the smoke, and by the rapidly descending object - videoed from
>the side and from below. That flying in and out of the smoke is
>reminiscent of the Shuttle 'mystery object' that was allegedly
>ice or space mist or whathaveyou immediately outside the ship,
>yet was clearly flying in and out of the clouds at least 100
>miles below!

>Someone calculated, and I think reasonably accurately, that the
>descending object was traveling 3000 MPH plus - I would've
>guessed 1000 MPH plus - which rules out helicopters or any
>conventional craft.

Ah, yes. That was me. I had the bad judgement of raising the
issue a few weeks after the 9/11 attacks. See:


There was indeed an object in a Fox News video that I estimated
as traveling at a speed of 3800 mph based based on the fact that
it apparently went _behind_ the building, which provided a way
to estimate its minimum distance and speed.

To arrive at the 3800 mph estimate, I incorrectly assumed that
the video was running at a rate of 60 frames per second. The
actual rate was half that - 30 frames per second. So the speed
would have been half what I estimated - 1900 mph, which is not
too far off your estimate, if you're talking about the same

There was much moaning and wailing at the time - all of it from
alleged skeptics far removed from the site of the attacks -
about how terrible it was to drag the subject of UFOs into the
story of that traumatic disaster. It seemed to me like an
attemmpt to silence discussion by 'waving the bloody shirt' of
the 9/11 attack. Sleazy politicians, of course, have waved the
same bloody shirt to get elected many times since then in the
intervening years, but the initial exploitation of the
catastrophe as a debating tactic happened right here on the UFO
UpDates List. You saw it here first, folks.

Most people on the List just ducked and covered, wisely I
suppose. But nevertheless there was an object in that video that
was going more than 1000 mph if it did in fact go behind the WTC
tower and whose trajectory indicated that it didn't originate
from the explosions in the buildling.

As Galileo might have put it: 'Eppur si muove' - at 1000+ mph,

>I think, even though this somewhat ancient history - but then so
>is Roswell - that other List-members might enjoy an in-depth
>analysis of these unidentified craft. I know I would.

Unfortunately it's not acceptable to talk about these things
until years after they happen, or better yet, just forget them

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