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Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11? -

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:18:52 -0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:46:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11? -

>From: Nick Balaskas <Nikolaos.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:47:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
>Subject: Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11?

>>From: Lan Fleming <lfleming6.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:09:55 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11?

>>>From: Jeff Olson <jlolson.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:57:28 -0600
>>>Subject: Anomalous Craft Near Twin Towers 9/11?


>You can still view this UFO, at the URL below (the same one
>mentioned in Lan's October 2001 post to the UFO UpDates list).

>The simple fact that this dark UFO is not seen to cross in front
>of the bright wall of the burning WTC tower as it streaked
>across the sky cannot justify Lan's conclusion that the UFO came
>from behind the tower. This is because there are also a few
>other places along the UFO's trajectory (this time through the
>sky) where it is also not seen!

>Since this is a grainy low resolution video clip and this dark
>and very blurry UFO seems to change its level of darkness from
>very dark to almost invisible as it moves across the frames, I
>think this UFO can better be explained as an object that can
>rapidly change its shape/albedo which is also very close to the
>video camera and thus is moving much slower than 1000 miles per
>hour. An out-of-focus bird in flight would be such an object.

>If Lan is correct and this dark UFO was further away than the
>WTC tower, it would also have to be much larger that the jet
>airliners that crashed into the two WTC towers. From the speed
>and apparent trajectory of this dark UFO, it would have crashed
>just seconds after this video was taken. I do not recall of any
>major explosions or other airplane crashes in or around the New
>York City area on 911.

>Did any sharp-eyed person notice a second UFO moving in a the
>same direction and parallel to the dark UFO in this video clip?
>This other UFO is bright and crosses in front of the WTC tower
>and a portion of the sky immediately beside the building! Is
>this other UFO just a video camera artifact or a real object?

>Better to re-examine and possibly reject this UFO now than to
>have us debate it again on the UFO UpDates List many decades
>later after it is eventually accepted and catalogued by ufology
>as an "authentic" unknown like the Rex Heflin saucer and smoke

Nick and List

Having taken a look at some of this material for the first time,
I tend to agree with Nick. At first glance this object could very
possibly be a nearby bird, the earlier part of its flight lost
against the dark smoke billows.

It's been pointed out to me, though, that there were multiple
video clips of this object. I found this very intriguing so took
a look at several of them.

In the following compilation


there is another view of a fast streaking dark object filmed
from below, nearer the buildings, moving at a similar or
somewhat faster angular rate. I don't see any other evidence
that these are the same object, however, in which case both
could be different birds close to the cameras. I don't find it
very surprising. Perhaps unusual numbers of birds are taking
wing in the immediate aftermath of huge explosions in the

The angular size of the first image (meaning the one discussed
by Lan and Nick), taken from a much greater distance, seems much
larger than that of the second (true angles are unknown but we
can compare the angular size relative to the buildings). The
relationship should be the inverse of this. Also, whereas the
first object was captured almost simultanously with the 2nd
impact it appears that the second clip shows no impact, only one
or both towers steadily burning, so it is not possible to
confirm that they were filmed at the same time. Finally the
point of origin of the first object is clearly nowhere near that
of the object in the second clip, if the former is assumed to be
coming from behind the tower as claimed: In the first clip the
trajectory is away from the sunlit towers, in the second it is
almost directly towards one sunlit face of a tower. If the
apparent trajectory _from_ the tower in the first clip is a
perspective illusion and it is really not distant, huge and
hypersonic but much closer to the camera, heading away, then we
can repair this mismatch; but then it would still not be easy to
argue that they both show the same object at the same time,
since both cameras are at different ground locations. If they
filmed different parts of the flight of the same smallish,
slowish, low altitude object at different times this is no
longer very anomalous, and this is a lot of effort to expend
reducing two possible birds to one.

Elsewhere in this compilation a small elongated object moving at
a moderate rate right to left parallel to the horizon apparently
above and/or beyond the towers just before the first impact
looks like a possible helicopter. It's quite reasonable that
there were helicopters around - news/traffic, police, whatever -
 this video is itself shot from one of course, and the
compilation contains at least two other different film clips
that were clearly also made from helicopters. Not surprising if
they filmed one another. Another similar small dark object with
a slightly higher angular rate seen moving at low level just
after the second impact could perhaps be a nearby bird.

The compiler finds it sinister that a TV commentator talks about
the probability of a terrorist attack only seconds after the
second jet impact, presumably implying some "set piece"
conspiracy, but I cannot for the life of me see anything odd
about this. The same conspiracist points out that some people
described seeing missiles at first, and implies witnesses were
later officially "persuaded" that they hadn't seen them; but the
clip referring to missiles here is in the context of conflicting
reports in the immediate aftermath as to whether the impacting
objects were planes or missiles, and does not appear to have
anything to do with the video anomalies being discussed here.

Another rapidly descending object is caught in this clip. But
again this is clearly not the same object as our original
hypersonic streaker. The rate is only (guessing as to the likely
angular scale of the camera image) in the region of 5 deg/sec,
which would be ~ 500 ft/sec or over 300 mph @ 1 mile. But at
1/10 mile or about 500 ft range it would be moving at only about
30 mph. At 500 ft distance a diving crow or large pigeon or
similar could be in the order of 10 mins of arc across, or about
1/3 the size of the moon, and plausibly might appear as a small,
ill-resolved grey blob like this, visible across the sunlit face
of the tower and sky but lost against the dark grey building in


A white 'orb' tracked descending here


is evidently a large sheet of tumbling debris dislodged
belatedly from the site of the first impact, very much like the
other white debris fragments seen coming directly from the site
of second impact during the course of the same clip. There is
also a very distinct brightly reflective object moving steadily
from left to right behind the towers shortly after the first
impact. Again in the absence of evidence to the contrary this
could be another helicopter or a fixed-wing.

So perhaps nothing is very conclusively explained, but so far I
see nothing definitely inexplicable either.

Martin Shough

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