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Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:21:27 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:51:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

>From: Theo Paijmans <th.paijmans.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:49:18 +0100
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:28:15 -0500 (EST)
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life


>>What would be the point of a huge mother ship operating

>That is, if this hypothetical pre-human civilistion had followed
>the same technological evolutionary path as we do - and, since
>this pre-human civilisation is hypothetical, we don't know. We
>could speculate that this civilisation had followed a different
>evolutionary technological path which in the course of a
>hypothetical timespan of thousands of years, would have yielded
>a radically different technology. Perhaps one that, given our
>current culture, would seem like magic to us.

>However, since we do not know if there were worlds before our
>own, this discussion - as well as the ETH debate which is
>equally hypothetical - is more at home in those realms which in
>themselves have evolved into using different sets of tools for
>establishing facts: esoterism.

>In the 19th and early 20th century theosophical texts one
>encounters an abundance of references to advanced, pre-human
>civilisations, whether Atlantis, Lemuria or Mu, with detailed
>descriptions of advanced technologies, flying machines, wireless
>energy sources, interplanetary travel and so forth.

>In that sense any opinion on UFOs as hard, technological
>constructs is severely marred by two things: our inability to
>envision radically different technolgies that fall outside our
>evolutionary path and scope - as witnessed by the discussion
>above - and our limitations in knowledge as to any facts about
>extraterrestrial civilisations. To my knowledge we still have no
>evidence at all for the existence of such an extraterrestrial

Theo et al,

I responseded to one of these posts yesterday and asked
questions about evidence of past civilizations and how these
co-existing intelligences have managed to stay hands-off, if you
will, for millennium.

All I have seen posted are vague beliefs that it is a real
possibility. Let's see some explanation as to how these
co-existing entities manage to do what they do. To me the whole
co-existing Earth based intelligence scenario is a fantasy
rather than theory. It also smacks of ego-centric leanings.

I'm as much aware as anyone else of the cave drawings and the
artifacts and the legends and the beliefs of past ages... the
forbidden archeology,  but this does not a civilization make. If
anything it suggests mimicry of devices and technology observed
by our ancestors of visitors from the sky not some shy,
incredibly generous and unselfish, co-existing distant cousins
from the next county who from their very beginnings decided that
they were going to hide from their homo sapien brethren. This
would indicate a benevolence beginning at the first emergence of
"their" reason across a world wide of possibly country-wide
expanse of that species that would belie their Darwinian climb
up through the food chain.

Much would have to be explained before I could sink my teeth
into such a theory, principally the odds factor. The existence
of ETI has numbers in the billions if not that squared or cubed
in a universe nearly 15 billion years old. The history of this
planet suggests the possibility of just one chance of a
technological intelligence existing, and we are it. And this is
the reason why I place my money on the ETI.

Don Ledger

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