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Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -

From: Peter B. Davenport <director.nul>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:47:12 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:59:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life -


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:46:36 -0600
>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

>>From: Bob Shell <bob.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:46:17 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life

<snip>

>>It disturbs me that so many UFO researchers are discounting this
>>theory in the same way that mainstream scientists discount the
>>whole UFO subject. I had expected more open minds here, and this
>>disturbs and distresses me. You guys are acting just like the
>>skeptibunkers and pelicanists.

>I think Bob has just validated my original observation, which
>was that open-mindedness has been redefined to denote a hole in
>the head through which brains fall out. In fact, real
>open-mindedness is not the lazy and indefensible principle that
>all ideas, however unlikely on their face, are worth
>considering.

>Open-mindedness is, in fact, a willingness to consider claims
>(including extraordinary ones) for which a reasonable case -
>whether that case is ultimately validated or discredited - can
>be put forward.

>Instead, all Bob has done is to affirm how much the idea appeals
>to him - an esthetic, not a scientific or intellectual, position
>- and trashed critics who point out the obvious: that the
>'theory' is devoid of meaningful evidence, is unreasonably
>speculative, has countless, overwhelming problems (it is as
>probable as Shaver's claim that deros live in caves), and is
>just one more fantastic guess among many advanced to 'explain'
>UFOs over the past five decades-plus. All that is accomplished,
>as always, is a waste of time and effort. The effect is to keep
>ufology in a state of chronic infantilism.

>That Bob has to attack the critics - as opposed, say, to go to
>the trouble (admittedly considerable) to advance an actual case
>for the far-fetched (and, I might add, reductionist and
>ahistorical) proposition of cryptoterrestrials - says all we
>need to know.

>I suppose I could add that, in even acknowledging his post, I am
>complicit in perpetuating the time-wasting that this thread
>generated in the first place.

I am a bit surprised that I am getting involved in this debate.
The questions of ancient civilizations, 'sacred' objects, hollow
Earth, etc., generally don't capture my interest, given the
apparent paucity of data supporting such theories.

However, some new and compelling, information has come to the
world's attention, which I believe deserves mention in a
discussion of old civilizations on Earth.

In brief, some _very_ large, underground, pyramids have been
discovered in Visoko, Bosnia, which seem to defy our scientific
understanding.

Recent exploration apparently has shown that they contain
tunnels that run for many kilometers, they are completely buried
(!), and preliminary investigation suggests that they may be on
the order of 15,000 years old, according to one television
report. Local residents have assumed that the strangely shaped
structures were mountains... until a local fellow began digging
with a shovel.

Given the size of the structures, I, for one, have no idea how
they could have been built by humans several tens of thousands
of years ago. This discovery certainly invites the question of
whether 'intervention' of some type might have taken place.

To see the reports, do an Web search for "Visoko, Bosnia,"
"European pyramids," or "Pyramid of the Sun."

I invite response, after you have read the reports. I consider
the discovery to be of stunning significance.


Peter Davenport
NUFORC




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