From: James Smith <lunartravel.nul> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:32:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:27:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life - Smith >From: Bob Shell <bob.nul> >To: ufoupdates.nul >Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:14:02 -0500 >Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life >>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul> >>To: ufoupdates.nul >>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:59:11 -0500 (EST) >>Subject: Re: Great Debate About Frequency Of ET Life >>I can't see any indication that in parallel with our growth and >>development over the past 10 thousand years, other unknown to >>us, very advanced civilizations have developed in secret with >>incredible technology completely divorced from our known world. >I have not put forth that proposition. My theory is that another >highly advanced technological civilization of non-humans evolved >on Earth millions of years before humans. Similarities would not >be because they developed in parallel with us, but would result >from convergent evolution at different times in the planet's >history. >They did not develop in secret, since no one was around to >secret themselves from. >Planets are probably a "larval" stage that really advanced >civilizations forsake due to their instability. Just because >they evolved here does not mean they are still living here as a >group. Maybe they have outposts somewhere on Earth, maybe not. >Maybe they live on mother ships now and just hang around this >unstable old rock out of nostalgia. Who knows? I certainly >don't. >All I have been trying to do is put forth the proposal that the >ETH is not the only possible answer, and perhaps not the most >probable one. The proposal of "highly advanced technological civilization of non-humans evolved on Earth millions of years before humans" has some appeal to me (although I don't think we need to force the "non-human" aspect, why can't it be humans?) But human or not, I would expect that their technology would have developed more or less like ours. To go from stone knives to nanotechnology cannot be done in one step, a certain pathway of technology/inventions/societal evolution is required. This almost forces a large society/large cities/impact on terrain/chemical deposits. Given enough time nuclear development, damage of coresident species, venturing out into space, inhabiting nearby space seems inevitable for any civilization that has had the initiative to wallow up from the swamps. If these civilizations developed space travel, they must have had a phase (part of the logical progression of technological progress) of Earth-orbiting satellite building/Moon colonizing. For geostationary orbits, such satellites/constellations should still be orbiting, even given a vast period of time, but we don't see evidence of such a constellation. Also, despite the vague evidence of Hoagland/company, the ancient Moon does not reveal vast cities, even though there should not have been time enough to wipe them off its surface. Did they purposely wipe any trace of existence of themselves from the Moon, Earth orbit and Earth surface? They certainly don't seem to make themselves invisible (UFOs) to cameras, video, witnesses, radar, ground traces, etc. Sure there are many anomolies on/in the Earth, but nothing obviously hypertech (giant carbon/diamond fiber buildings made with obvious nanotechnology). Was everything that was advanced "disassembled" after they were done with it? In the end, it doesn't seem to matter too much where they are from. A crypto can mimic an ET and visa versa and there is no way to determine absolutely one from the other. All that really matters is that these guys (assuming they exist) seem to have some pretty sweet tech we would surely like to get our hands on and we need to figure a way to track them down and at minimum deduce how they work via sensor data.
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