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O'Hare Witness & Joe Nichol On CNN 01-06-07

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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:13:31 -0500
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Subject: O'Hare Witness & Joe Nichol On CNN 01-06-07

Source: CNN Transcripts


06 January, 2007

Anderson Cooper 360 Degrees

Aired January 5, 2007 - 22:00 E.T.


Cooper: Such a strange story.

Another mystery in the sky, this time here in the states. You
may have heard about the strange sighting over O'Hare
International Airport. Could Chicago be the new Roswell, New
Mexico? That's what some are asking.

CNN's Gary Tuchman talked to one of the airport workers about
what he says he saw.


Gary Tuchman, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Flights come to
Chicago's O'Hare Airport from all over the world. But do they
come from other worlds?

(on camera) You don't believe this was possibly your

'Joe', Airplane Mechanic: It was definitely not my imagination.

Tuchman (voice-over): Joe is a mechanic for United Airlines.
While taxing a jumbo jet to the hangar, he and another

'Joe': Looked out the window in the general direction and
noticed an object up in the sky, dark gray object, sitting above
the terminal complex.

Tuchman: Joe, which is not his real name, is one of several
airport workers, some of whom have talked to the "Chicago
Tribune", who said they saw a saucer-shaped UFO hovering just
beneath the clouds at the airport.

He's the first to go on camera to talk about it since this
happened several weeks ago. He wants to remain anonymous.

(on camera) But you're sure it was some kind of object that
normally would not be above O'Hare Airport?

'Joe': I've been at O'Hare for quite some time. And let's just
say that I've never seen an object in my time that looked like
this. And I'll tell you definitely it was not an airplane as we
know it.

Tuchman: But it could be an airplane as another world knows it?

'Joe': Possibly.

Tuchman (voice-over): We brought in one of Chicago's top sketch

'Joe': Followed the contours of the object.

Tuchman: ... to listen to Joe and draw a picture of what he says
he saw.

'Joe': More like an oval, dark gray oval.

Tuchman: Because no photos have surfaced, and Joe doesn't know
of any.

(on camera): It didn't say "Goodyear" on it, did it?

'Joe': No "Goodyear," no.

That's a really good drawing.

Tuchman: That's what it looks like?

'Joe': Very much so, yes.

Tuchman (voice-over): Other witnesses told an organization
called the National UFO Reporting Center that the object
eventually shot straight up in the sky at a great rate of speed.

'Joe': It looked like literally someone had poked a hole in the
clouds, just a round hole.

Tuchman: Joe thinks the disk is either a stealthy military
project or a spacecraft from another planet. But... 'Joe': I
find it very strange or very peculiar that somebody who
possesses the technology to travel between star systems would
sit over an airport in Chicago.

Tuchman: Hard to argue that.

A spokesperson for United Airlines says, "We are aware of what
the employees said they saw, but this is not something United
would investigate." Talk to the FAA, says the airline.

The TSA and the Chicago Department of Aviation also told us to
talk to the FAA. So we did. And an FAA spokesperson told us,
"We, too, don't have the power to investigate." The FAA adds
that radar did not pick up anything out of the ordinary and the
sighting might have been caused by a weather phenomenon.

(on camera) You don't believe it was a weather phenomenon?

'Joe': Not at all. Not for a minute.

Tuchman (voice-over): O'Hare has apparently been UFO free since
that November afternoon, although Joe now tends to pay special
attention to that same patch of airport sky.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Chicago.


Cooper: As you heard in Gary's piece, the FAA says what the
airport worker saw was most likely caused by a weather
phenomenon. But the workers are still not convinced.

Earlier, I spoke with Joe Nichol, investigative columnist for
"Skeptical Inquirer" magazine.


Cooper: You know, Joe, as we just heard a lot of these witnesses
say they saw a dark gray saucer flying under the clouds. What
could this be?

Joe Nichol, Columnist, Skeptical Inquire": No one seems to
know, and that's the thing about unidentified flying objects.
They're real in the sense that, yes, people see things, and they
don't know what they are.

The problem is, you can't infer from an "I don't know" that you
do know. You can't say I don't know what it is and then,
therefore, it's an extraterrestrial craft.

There really are all kinds of things, Anderson, in the sky, from
weather balloons, all kinds of atmospheric phenomena, meteors,
space debris, secret government planes, various blimps, not all
of them with "Goodyear" on it. And we see these under strange
and unusual conditions, and oftentimes we don't know what they
are. Cooper: Do you simply not believe that extraterrestrials
exist, or do you hold it out as a possibility, but you just want
to see the evidence?

Nichol: Belief is not really a word that science uses a lot.
That's - that's a different domain. But really there may be
extraterrestrials. No one can deny that there - there could be.

The question is, are extraterrestrials visiting the planet
earth? And to date we have a huge amount of evidence that they
are, but it's very, very poor evidence. It's not...

Cooper: You look at - you look back at Roswell in 1947. That's
probably the thing that a lot of people cite as probably the
most famous unidentified flying object. You were just down in
the Mohave investigating. What did you find out?

Nichol: Well, we did a test in the Mohave Desert relating to the
Roswell, New Mexico, crash, as you mentioned, in 1947. And we
think we know exactly what crashed on Mack Brazel's ranch.

He came into town and talked about finding this strange debris.
And it was - he described it as foil paper, sticks, string,
tape, and rubber. And we now know that a secret United States
government spy balloon from Project Mogul was missing in that

And if you look at photographs of the wreckage and compare it to
Mogul wreckage, it's very clear that that's what it was. It was
a spy balloon.

Cooper: There's also this video from a couple of years ago. The
Mexican air force I guess it was, released a video. They said it
was - it was 11 unidentified objects that they shot. We're
looking at it.

Nichol: 2004?

Cooper: Yes.

Nichol: Yes. Those are oil well flares in the Bay of Campeche.
They have been clearly identified now.

This is - this is instructive for us because what happens is
somebody sees something. They don't know what it is. Sometimes
they have video for us to look at. It gets a huge amount of
attention, all of which promotes the idea that there are UFOs.
Then people do the hard work and figure out what it is, and
that, nobody's interested then, and it sort of fades away.

So we're always getting these new, fresh reports as we're doing
now. And by the time we - we figure it out, if we do, there may
be less interest.

Cooper: And yet there are always people who will believe, until
I guess proven otherwise. Joe, it's good to talk to you again.
Joe Nichol, thanks. Nichol: Same here, Anderson. Thank you.


Cooper: Hmm. Are you seeing that?


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