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Re: Of Hynek Pilots & O'Hare - Groff

From: Terry Groff <terrygroff.nul>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:25:04 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:59:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Of Hynek Pilots & O'Hare - Groff

>From: Ray Stanford <dinosaurtracker.nul>
>To: <errol.nul>
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:10 -0500
>Subject: Of Hynek Pilots & O'Hare

>An Allen Hynek Interlude

>[Non-subscriber post --ebk]

>Although I'm not on the UFO UpDates mailing List, I still read
>the more interesting posts to it, and rather regularly.

>With the recent List-talk about pilot-sighting censorship and
>pilot fears to talk, I thought the List might enjoy a short
>account of an Allen Hynek interlude I experienced during one of
>his considerable number of visits with me since we met for the
>first time in Socorro, April, 1964. Whether it was while I was
>still living in Phoenix, after I moved to San Antonio, Texas
>(1969), or after my project using electronic and optical
>instruments to monitor and record UFOs got really set up in
>Austin, I do not recall.

>Well, after all the years, the quotes may not be absolutely
>verbatim, but wherever it happened, I had met Allen at some
>airport, and after his luggage had  arrived on the turnstile,
>being the younger, I asked him, "Allen, let me grab the heavier
>part of that stuff."

>Allen grinned in a funny way that puzzled me, but he nodded at
>his briefcase and said, "In that case, Ray, better grab my brief

>I probably looked at him like I thought he was out of his mind
>until I grabbed the briefcase handle and started to lift it. I
>couldn't believe the weight!  That little case felt as though it
>might have weighed over fifty pounds, so I exclaimed, "Allen,
>have you started collecting nickel-iron meteorites' like me?!"

>"Wait, Ray," Allen said, grinning and stroking his beard, "Just
>sit down there for a minute and look inside it."

>I did exactly that and was startled, because it was crammed full
>with heavy, fancy, cut-glass bottles, full of expensive looking
>(judging by the fancy bottles) whiskey!

>"My gosh, Allen, I hope you haven't started drinking heavily!" I
>declared in utter bewilderment.

>"My gosh no!", Allen replied quickly, "You see, when I fly out
>of here, I'm heading for a meeting with a bunch of pilots, whom
>I hope to get loosened up enough to talk in an uninhibited way
>about their sightings."


>Ray Stanford

Ray, List

This is an age old ploy. I used to practice Kendo years ago and
the story goes that in the age of the Samurai, one trick was to
take your Sensei out and get him drunk in order to pry martial
Arts secrets out of him. We used to do that with our Sensei,
Kenshi Nabeshima, and you know, it worked.

Just because he was drunk didn't mean the information he passed
was errant.


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