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Re: FAA's Credibility & Veracity Over O'Hare -

From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:36:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:33:30 -0500
Subject: Re: FAA's Credibility & Veracity Over O'Hare -

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:21:25 -0400
>Subject: Re: FAA's Credibility & Veracity Over O'Hare

>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:58:09 -0500
>>Subject: Re: FAA's Credibility & Veracity Over O'Hare

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:56:34 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: FAA's Credibility & Veracity Over O'Hare


>>>All this should tell us something about the motives of the
>>>corporate media and those who've made the laws: they don't want
>>>the truth or even informed comment.

>>I believe that any employer would have the right to limit the an
>>employee's contact with the press regarding job related
>>activities, and that would include anything seen by the employee
>>while on the payroll. I'm not convinced so much that there was a
>>cover up, but rather that the Airlilne just wasn't set up to
>>respond to the questions they were getting and really had no
>>obligation to research it for the curious (or the Press, which
>>may or may not come back to haunt them in the form of bad

>>Somehow I think we're all going to be stuck in speculation-land
>>until we get Richard Haines's report.

>I'm not stuck in speculation-land, Steve...

>As for the airlines having the right to determine whether their
>employees have the right to report publicly what they have seen
>is basically BS.

>Unless United Airlines is secretly manufacturing these objects,
>this isn't a company secret. They are subverting their employees
>right to free speech.

>Don't make it easy for them by turning your head away.

>Don Ledger

Some time ago Peter Davenport of NUFORC gave me an airline pilot
report of one side of a conversation with USAF aircraft over
Edwards AFB with the tower. The traffic involved an attempt to
intercept a UFO over the base.

The pilot reported the information to his company on a reporting
form. He didn't want his name used as it might impact his

Pilots, I've interviewed tell me that if they reported a UFO,
they might be subjected to a flight physical, and considered for
grounding, so it was best to be quiet about it.

Using the report that Peter provided I set about to FOIA
Edwards. I called the info office on the base to find the
address for the FOIA office. Interestingly enough the Sergeant
who answered the telephone was all primed on FOIA. I didn't say
what I wanted to FOIA, but this guy ran down all the reasons
that a FOIA would not work and all the ways the FOIA officer
could avoid answering my request. Interesting.

I submitted the request to the base requesting any info on said
incident, including after landing debriefings, tower logs, etc.,

I got a negative answer. However, at the time a Project 1947
member was a contractor at Edwards. He went to the tower and
engaged the operators in conversation. At first they were wary
of him, but after awhile they allowed that something had
happened. They said that the supervisor asked if anyone wanted
to make an entry in the tower log. Nobody did. They showed him
the log for that day. No entry.

Later several knowledgeable FOIA old hands suggested a number of
other requests that should have been submitted. There are ways
to avoid answering if you are not the prime entity involved in
an incident. It is good that our government is intent on evading
Freedom of Information.

Peter also provided an incident at the Bangor submarine base. In
this case, the FOIA officer was the Staff Judge Advocate. You
can image how lawyers can find ways not to answer something. "It
all depends on what the meaning of 'it' is."

One day there may be an accounting, no thanks to investigative
journalists who are not interested at all in this area, as Don
Berliner of FUFOR attempted to get some to investigate the above
with negative results. It will be interesting to see the

Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
P. O. Box 391
Canterbury, CT 06331, USA

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