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Re: A Martian Genocide? - Tarbell

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:04:51 -0600
Archived: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:51:14 -0400
Subject: Re: A Martian Genocide? - Tarbell

>From: Stuart Miller <stuart.4.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:50:14 +0100
>Subject: Re: A Martian Genocide?

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:01:49 -0600
>>Subject: Re: A Martian Genocide?

>>>From: Stuart Miller <stuart.4.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:10:43 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: A Martian Genocide?

Thanks for your reply Stuart, my tardy response follows below,
hopefully still of some interest.

>>>If we work on the canvas that you have painted above, then
>>>surely the degree of displacement or sense of violation that
>>>Martian macrobes or microbes would feel would depend upon their
>>>sentient awareness. And if there is none, then I would struggle
>>>to find fault with the act of Man setting foot on Mars. Indeed
>>>it could even be viewed as a positive step in that a resource
>>>"designed" or intended for use - a planet - was being employed.

>>Perhaps you struggle to find fault with human behavior in
>>general. Insert "oil" for "a planet" in the above to arrive at
>>the Exxon-Mobil theory of planetary stewardship.

>>You say, and I agree, that our survival depends on finding
>>habitat elsewhere. Consider *why* that has become necessary.

>I presume by your petroleum company comments that you are
>inferring that we will have to exit stage left because we are
>screwing this place up. That however is not necessarily the
>case. It might be that we detect a massive asteroid heading our
>way or the magnetic poles go haywire or there is some other
>calamity that besets us. While I am no great defender of the
>human race, it might be that we have to leave through no fault
>of our own.

See my earlier reply to Don Ledger on this thread regarding
these 'natural' motivators. I acknowledge their validity, but
not their significance with respect to our current

>The most probable scenario however is that we will choose to
>leave or to colonise as opposed to having to. And the reason for
>that will likely not be altruistic or for the long term benefit
>of mankind but because of the usual reasons that drive the human
>spirit; greed. Private space development is going to race ahead
>and in probably under 30 years, the moon and accessible
>asteroids are going to be mined for their mineral content in
>order to feed the on going endless demand for energy and other
>activities on this planet. Which really is what you're
>complaining about in the first place I guess.

Quite so. Is this not the archetype of an unsustainable system?
Would not the most minimally 'sentient' organisms recognize it
as a threat?


>If you have an answer to this, I'd be interested in hearing it.
>But its too glib and too easy to blame the politicians or the
>stock market. We need to accept personal responsibility

Indeed. Unfortunately, the Answer (capital A) involves a major
shift in the collective human 'personality'. Ultimately we will
arrive at a de facto answer (small a) in the sense that the
original problem is moot, and it is more likely to be imposed
from without rather than implemented from within.

For example, we could enforce a one-child-per-couple policy
until a 'sustainable' population is obtained. If we propose a
factor of 10 reduction in our current population, I would guess
the target value could be obtained in perhaps 150 years (a 'soft
landing'). Alternatively, we can continue our present course and
deal with the complete collapse of Earth's ecosystems on roughly
the same (or shorter) timescale, with a comparable (or greater)
population reduction (a 'hard landing'). Either way, an 'answer'
is forthcoming.

If in the interim we manage to hatch an outpost(s) on Mars or
elsewhere, it will not substantially alter our long term
prospects for survival if the underlying model remains
unchanged. Indeed, our prospects may dim considerably if we are
perceived to be metastasizing...


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