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Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit - Warren

From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:26:51 -0700
Archived: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:43:40 -0400
Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit - Warren


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:31:15 -0700
>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>From: Frank Warren <frank-warren.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:18:58 -0700
>>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>Fellow Listers,

>>>Extracted from:

>>>Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up
>>>by
>>>Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt
>>>2007

>><snip>

>>First I question how the affidavit was done in regard to
>>Walter's declaration.

>>When Dennis & Wendy interviewed Walter in 2000, he was often
>>confused and had difficulty remembering various things during
>>the session in my unprofessional opinion it appeared to me
>>he was exhibiting the initial stages of either Alzheimer's
>>and/or dementia.

>I interviewed Walter Haut in August 2001. He did not appear
>confused at all or exhibiting any signs of Alzheimer's or
>dementia. He claimed he couldn't remember clearly what had
>happened over 50 years ago and anybody who said they could
>wasn't being truthful. Walter also pulled the "I don't remember"
>routine on many others for at least a dozen years before this.
>It wasn't a matter of him not remembering, it was Walter
>deliberately withholding information.

One of the symptoms of Alzheimer's is progressive memory loss
which if I understand you correctly, he exhibited in your
interview. The difference it would seem, is that you think it
was "an act," if this was the case in the C & B interview, then
he  deserves an academy  award!

I might add, the instances of difficulty remembering things
e.g., where he was stationed after the war, and or where he did
his basic training became more frequent as the interview wore on,
(i.e., as he became more fatigued).

Did you perform your interview in person, or over the phone?
How long was the interview?

>As you point out, Walter was already discussing the ship and
>bodies (plus Ramey flying in for the morning meeting) back in
>2000 when Dennis & Wendy interviewed him. So if he was still
>clear-headed in 2001 when I spoke to him, he was probably
>clearheaded in 2000 when he first began speaking about these
>things.

Walter discussing the ship and bodies would not be an accurate
assessment in my view; he was a respondent in a line of
questioning.

In the C & B interview, "he couldn't remember certain words"
along with incidents, i.e., where he did his basic training
etc., "clearheaded" is not how I would describe his demeanor.
Have you seen the interview?

>>That said, he did in fact (in response to a question) answer in
>>the affirmative regarding seeing (substantial) wreckage and or
>>bodies.

>Yep. Also mentioned a craft.

"He didn't mention it" in the C & B interview, Wendy did.

>>I haven't viewed the tape recently, and am relying on my  written
>>notes from when I did, but will be reviewing it again today.
>>According to my notes, I counted _4_ times where he said he
>>didn't see anything!

I have since reviewed the tape again and took notes; I stand by
my original assessment, in my unprofessional opinion.

Separately, I would like to clarify, that I mean no disrespect
to Walter Haut, and have the highest regard for him, and believe
him to have a been a person of good character, and I applaud his
service during the war. My opinion is merely an observation.

>According to what Dennis told me, Walter didn't realize he was
>being taped when he first spilled the beans about the bodies and
>craft, but when he did, went back to his "I don't remember"
>routine for the remainder of the interview.

The pertinent part of the interview to which the focus is on,
regarding Roswell, was an hour and a half into it (130:13); he
certainly new he was being interviewed. I might add, that as the
interview began, Wendy explained why it was being done, and for
whom. (To which he made comment).

>His interview with Wendy and Dennis, like his affidavit, was not
>to be released until after his death. The point being, any
>confessions were not to be made public while he was alive.

This true, and this was honored.

>>During an appearance on Larry King in 2003, Walter, again,
>>appeared very confused and in this instance could not finish
>>the segment. Prior to unexpectedly exiting the interview, King
>>asked, "Did you, Walter, ever see any of the wreckage?"

>>Walter replied, "No."

>Again, he wasn't going to admit to it in public while he was
>alive.

I'll go along with that...

>>As one can see the affidavit which no doubt was signed by
>>Walter Haut was written in a very clear and concise manner
>>including times, dates, names etc. From what I have seen myself
>>e.g., the interview by Wendy & Dennis, as well as the public
>>appearance, albeit brief, this was a man that would have much
>>difficulty - to be polite - in accomplishing this task.

>He was definitely fine when I met him in August 2001. His
>condition when he filled out his affidavit in December 2002 I
>can't say, but he was already saying the same things to Wendy
>and Dennis in 2000. His story also has much corroboration from
>other sources, such as the bodies being in the base hangar, or
>the craft being hauled to the hangar on a lowboy truck, or the
>craft/body site being north of Roswell. There is nothing in his
>affidavit we haven't already heard from other sources (except
>for perhaps Ramey being at the morning meeting).

You previously wrote:

"He claimed he couldn't remember clearly what had happened over
50 years ago (regarding "your" interview). . .."

Your perception it would seem is that he was acting - referring
to it as his "I don't remember" routine - he certainly wasn't
acting in the C & B interview.

Since my bone of contention is his 'memory loss' I would argue
that "he wasn't fine" in your interview; however, I wasn't
there, and haven't seen and or read about yours, with the
exception of what you're now sharing, so I yield to your
personal experience.

I do not dispute the fact there was one or more crashes and
retrievals, as well as post cover-up of an extraterrestrial
craft(s); I base my opinion on "my own  continuing research." I
have a problem with a document (i.e., the affidavit) that was
written with so much clarity, including dates, times, names
etc., presumably from a man who couldn't remember where he did
his basic training "two years before" he signed it (the
affidavit).

Moreover, during the C & B interview, he couldn't remember the
details of the press release "he wrote." Most importantly, he
freely admits the problem with his memory in both your
interview, as well as C & B's, so from my standpoint, it 'seems'
impossible, barring a miracle, that Walter could have "penned
such" a precise account of what happened 60 years ago!

>>So, I am very curious as to how this declaration was performed;
>>was it prepared by someone else - perhaps Schmitt - and Walter
>>just signed it? Were questions asked in sequence, and he
>>answered them? I think this paramount in evaluating the worth of
>>the affidavit.

>Don't know. Are you accusing Schmitt of putting words in
>Walter's mouth? That's a very serious accusation if that is what
>you are saying. The sealed affidavit was under the control of
>the Haut family, and Carey and Schmitt could not use it without
>their permission.

I am not "accusing" anybody of anything and I don't doubt that
Walter signed the a fore mentioned affidavit; however, based on
the C & B interview, I do not believe he sat down and penned
this himself. I might add that the C & B interview, was also
held until Walter's death, and he point blank said on a number -
I count four - of occasions that he didn't see anything!
Directly contradicting his signed affidavit!

Personally, I would like to know more about how the affidavit
was taken, performed etc.

>>Obviously, placing Ramey in Roswell on the 8th is monumental,
>>and most certainly needs to be looked into, again.

>We've had other testimony about Ramey being at the base, but
>nothing specifically placing him at the morning meeting on July
>8. (Except maybe from Frank Kaufmann) Under the circumstances,
>however, this wouldn't be very surprising.

As mentioned before, Ramey's presence at the base, of course
would be monumental! This certainly needs to be looked into
- again.

>>Finally, for clarity, I don't question the fact that an
>>extraterrestrial craft/s was recovered, i.e., the Roswell
>>Incident, or the post cover-up; I question Walter's involvement
>>regarding his seeing wreckage himself, and or bodies;
>>furthermore, given his own contradictory statements regarding
>>his actually seeing wreckage and or bodies, in my view, the
>>affidavit that is now on the table doesn't carry much weight.

>Haut had a top secret clearance, had dropped instruments into
>the A-bomb tests at Bikini, was PIO to the atomic bomber base
>and thus often privy to sensitive information concerning
>operations there, took big wigs on tours of the base, etc.
>However, most importantly, Haut was probably Colonel Blanchard's
>closest friend, so I don't find it all that curious that
>Blanchard would allow him to have a look.

I would characterize their relationship a little differently;
however, I'll concede that they were close. Also, it seems
palatable to me that the circumstances you cite could have taken
place; however, currently, I believe Walter's statements that he
didn't see anything.

>As for Haut's contradictory statements, that is how I figured
>most people would choose to dismiss his affidavit. However, as I
>tried to point out in my discussion of Haut's affidavit on my
>website, there are very understandable reasons for Haut to
>publicly deny direct involvement while he was alive. I've also
>tried to point out (such as in my recent review of the
>Carey/Schmitt book) that Haut's affidavit doesn't stand alone,
>but has a lot of corroborating testimony from others.

The video in question i.e., C & B's interview of Walter Haut,
was done in the same manner as the affidavit; it was not for
public consumption, and was held until Walter's death; for that
matter, still to this day, very few people have seen it. I don't
have issue with his public statements. I will cede the fact that
if in fact he did see something, it's entirely plausible that he
held the party line and kept silent until after his death;
however, the video - in which he contradicts himself was
performed under the same guise as the affidavit.

>Haut also wasn't alone in not going public while alive. E.g.,
>provost marshall Edwin Easley also said he had sworn an oath and
>wouldn't talk about it, but dropped a lot of hints nonetheless
>to something extraordinary happening. When Kevin Randle asked
>him if a spacecraft crash was the right path to follow, Easley
>replied to the effect, "Well let's put it this way. It's not the
>wrong path." Easley also confessed to holding Mack Brazel at the
>base under armed guard. And we have witnesses to Easley
>directing the MPs out at the crash sites. It's not too hard to
>read between the lines here.

>Colonel Blanchard's adjutant, Patrick Saunders also refused to
>say much, but inscribed copies of the Randle/Schmitt "The Truth
>About the UFO Crash at Roswell" book with, "This is the truth,
>and I still haven't told anyone!" The section he inscribed with
>this statement concerned how the paper trail was covered up. One
>of Saunders children wrote a letter saying how he had bragged
>about how well he had covered everything up. When I asked Walter
>Haut about procedure concerning important press releases, he
>told me Blanchard and/or Saunders would always review such
>releases before they went out. (Thus Haut couldn't act alone
>without severe repercussions)
>
>The only thing different about Haut from Easley or Saunders is
>he decided to leave a detailed oral and written testimonial to
>be made public after his death instead of taking his secrets to
>the grave.

>David Rudiak

Again, I don't dispute the events that occurred in Roswell 60
years ago (ET crash retrieval and cover-up). I question the
issue of a man who clearly, in a "best case scenario" had
memory problems, penning a document in such detail. Now this
doesn't mean, that the document wasn't assembled and Walter
read it, and signed it; the effect, or the legality of it
obviously is the same; however, I certainly would like to know
more about how this was performed.


Respectfully,

Frank Warren



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