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Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:33:43 -0700
Archived: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:53:08 -0400
Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit - Rudiak

>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:11:50 +0100
>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:56:00 +0100
>>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:05:14 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>>>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:42:51 -0700
>>>>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

>>Has anyone addressed the ostensible inconsistencies between
>>Haut's two affidavits? Perhaps this has been done and I just
>>haven't heard about it, or maybe I'm missing the blindingly
>>obvious. Can someone explain:

>>1) why in 1993 Haut said he issued the crashed disc story as
>>instructed by Col Blanchard by telephone on July 8 and only the
>>next day "read in the newspaper that General Roger Ramey in Fort
>>Worth had said the object was a weather balloon", but in 2002
>>claimed to have been present with Ramey at a meeting in Roswell
>>on the morning of July 8 where Ramey allegedly hatched the
>>balloon plot and that he knew about it from the inside all

Haut's second affidavit said that Ramey wanted to draw attention
away from the second craft/body site by acknowledging only the
first site, or debris field. He then said, "I was not completely
informed how this would be accomplished."

I interpret that to mean he _didn't_ know about the weather
balloon deception at that time, which instead could have been
hatched by Ramey shortly after the meeting.

>>2) why in 1993 he said "I believe Col. Blanchard saw the
>>material, because he sounded positive about what the material
>>was", but in 2002 allegedly claimed that he, Blanchard and all
>>present openly handled inexplicable alien debris at this same

>>3) why in 1993 he said he heard about the debris in a phone call
>>at 9:30 am Tuesday July 8, but in 2002 allegedly said the above
>>meeting had happened at 7:30 a.m. that same morning?

>I'll take that as a "No", then. The salient point here of course
>is that none of these inconsistencies can be explained as mere
>omissions in 1993. If the 2002 scenario is true, then Haut's
>distortions of the truth in 1993 were active and creative. In
>other words he made things up.

>Personally I find very unconvincing the idea that he made these
>things up in 1993 with idea of somehow protecting the truth,
>whereas I find that brief affidavit entirely convincing as a
>naive statement of his belief at the time.

There is a difference between what Walter Haut would say
publicly or on-the-record vs. privately. Robert Shirkey Jr.
called into Art Bell on June 30 when Tom Carey was on and
revealed his dad had been told by Haut in 1989 about the bodies
and that he also learned this from his father in 1989. I've
extracted Shirkey Jr.'s comments and now have them on my Haut


Shirkey Sr.'s affidavit from 1991 also indicates that he had
heard about the bodies in the hangar, though doesn't indicate
from whom, but now it appears at least one of the sources was

"I learned later that a Sergeant and some airmen went to the
crash site and swept up everything, including bodies. The bodies
were laid out in Hanger 84."

Shirkey Jr. grew up in Roswell and said he knew people like
Glenn Dennis and Walter Haut well. Haut and his father were
good friends. Nonetheless, he said, until 1989 neither his
father or Haut ever talked about what happened, being strict
military men honoring oaths of silence. It was only when he
heard his father talking on a TV show in 1989 that he first
learned his father was involved, and then called him up and
asked him what he knew. (This is when he heard from his father
that Haut was privately discussing the bodies.)

Wendy Connors also tells me Haut was telling her in 1999 that
Ramey was at the critical morning meeting on July 8. Also Haut
was dropping hints about the bodies earlier on as well. He also
briefly mentioned it in his 2000 recorded interview with Wendy
and Dennis Balthauser. It didn't just suddenly come up in his
2002 affidavit.

Haut's common ending to interviews or lectures was "I believe
it was a UFO! Just don't ask me why!" His 1993 affidavit also
states, "I am convinced that the material recovered was some
type of craft from outer space." That's a very strong statement
for somebody supposedly completely out-of-the-loop.

I would say Haut was dropping many, many hints that he knew
considerably more than he was willing to admit publicly.

I doubt any of this will stop the ankle-biters (not referring to
Martin here) from continuing to claim that Haut's 2002 affidavit
was nothing but the ramblings of a senile old man, a practical
joke, designed to make him famous after death, was written by
somebody else, or was designed to keep the money rolling into
his museum and town.

David Rudiak

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