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Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist? - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:25:40 -0500
Archived: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:20:54 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist? - Lehmberg

>From: Brian Ally <ufoupdates.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:06:57 -0400
>Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist?

>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:12:51 -0500
>>Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist?

>>And I 'd sure like to use Aldrin's prop on him, that stumble
>>stepping, double talking, time wasting, duplicitous old
>>bastard. He is without all relevancy, pertinence, and
>>usefulness, and he's walked on both sides of the credulity line
>>too often now for me to be able to take credence in anything he
>>says in the future on this subject.

>>Piss on him! But I sugar coat...

>Twice today, defending Aldrin.

>You say all of this as if Col. Aldrin owes you his time.

Hey, sorry to step on some pretty juvenile hero-worship, but...
That's right! He does! Time and more besides! Here's how that

He took just a 'degree' more heat and tension than I did in my
own military career and was at the focus of every kudos,
accreditation, and congratulation that humankind can bestow on
the individual. He's the one shopping his duplicitous square-
jawed mug around as an 'authority'. He can take whatever
criticism is served up for him and revel in the attention! That
said: starch-wing zoomies can stand for me! I don't care if he
flew in space! I flew helicopters in combat!

>had a long and successful career and I daresay that he doesn't
>owe you a lick.

Wrong again! He owes me consistency. He owes me relevancy! He
owes me continuity! He owes me credulity! He owes me
credibility! He owes me the truth!

>If you have some disagreement with anything
>he's said then perhaps you could share it with us on this list,
>rather than spout vituperative complaints.

Then perhaps you'd be so kind as to point out where he is less
than deserving for those same "vituperative comments" based an
anecdotal consistency you seem to be saying he has had on the
issues? Well forget how he pompously, pretentiously, and
purposefully wasted time on a craptastic explication that even
King himself remarked on - while Aldrin looked sheepish. This
droning lecture was useful only in that it kept us from hearing
Friedman, Fox, and Symington.

>You seem to be most agitated by Aldrin's measured responses (ok,
>he speaks damned slower than most).

Measured? Pause for squirty guffaws! He was a credulity
straining embarrassment to the subject of the program! In his
'latest' 180 degree uflogical reversal across the disclosure
line he could have said "the UFO I saw was one of the four
shields jettisoned for landing configuration," and then throw
one of the four cone-quarters at the camera! Take about 5
seconds. Then we could have had time for Stan to take Shirmer
down as was abundantly justified. Aldrin should have taken
Shirmer down himself for those insipid EBE props... but I

>But who's fault is that?

By accident you tripped over the 64.000 question, and I bet
you're not the least bit interested in an answer to that
question, as crippled as you obviously are with errant and
immature hero-worship.

>Given that the man has already been the subject of countless
>attacks on his character (viz. the idiot Bart Sibrel) why
>shouldn't he take his damn time to make sure that what he is
>quoted as saying is what he really means?

Sorry - don't buy it. Not at all. That was not the mechanism Mr.
Ally. I suspect you might feel that is so given you're a little
too dewy-eyed in his regard.

>And I much prefer listening to the likes of Col. Aldrin than
>some of the agitated hand-waving that this field unfortunately
>draws in.

Yeah well... its the 'well moneyed, well mainstreamed, and well
facilitated information void' that our dear Buzzy Aldrin has
assisted very assertively - with fork-tongued anecdotes only
smearing the ufological credulity line, Mr. Ally.

Moreover, the "agitated hand-waving" is more than justified at this
point according to McDonald, Keyhoe, Druffel, Friedman, Maccabee,
Connors, Feschino, Hastings, Dolan... et sig al. I don't think that
"hand-waving" gets a very balanced assessment from you either.

>And, hell - he was discussing something involving what Arthur C.
>Clarke declared the most sophisticated technological achievement
>at the time: the Saturn V vehicle.

Yeah - compare it to what left a debris field in 1947 or any one
of Kimbal's Top Ten UFOs, and cop a big yawn for the staid,
blundering, and grossly inefficient Saturn 5... I'm yawning
right now. My dad and Stanton Friedman worked on NERVA, Mr.
Ally... now there was an achievement in propulsion!

>Just recently this very List
>saw weeks worth of discussion about whether or not what they saw
>was actually a part of their rocket. Given all that - and the
>fact that he was addressing a decidely lay audience - why the
>heck shouldn't he take his time?

You've of course heard the parable about beating the dead horse?

>ALDRIN: You don't want me to be the jury of all these people
>now, do you?

No Astro-zoomie! Because your dodgy behavior and inconsistent
testimony has tarnished your honor to the point where you must,
of needs, be removed from the jury pool! That's what I shouted
at the screen!

>Yes, shows like Larry King Live have unforgiving time

So the Buzzster should have been nipped in the bud and cut off
like Noory had had hung up on him!

>But any shortcomings that may have brought to
>Aldrin's appearance should in no way reflect badly on his
>contributions to this subject.

Nonsense, his own performance and behavior has done that!

>Again, if you'd like to complain
>about the man then please do so in a way that may be fairly
>debated here.

Oh, I think I'll do it in a manner that makes my point and gets
past moderation... but thanks for the tip.

>In other word, back it up.

How specious! Be careful what you wish for, Sir. I'd sooner
write misty-eyed eulogies for Klass and Todd before rolling over
for the egregious activities of an obfuscating prima-donna
zoomie like Aldrin, a man intent on keeping humankind in the
ufological stone-age.

Pausing only to eat asparagus, I resume urinating.

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