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Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist? - Sawyer

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:31:21 -0700
Archived: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:11:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist? - Sawyer

>From: Jeff Olson <jlolson.nul>
>To: <UFOupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:22:19 -0600
>Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist?

>>From: Brian Ally <UFOupdates.nul>
>>To: UFOupdates.nul
>>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:06:57 -0400
>>Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist?

>>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>>>To: <UFOupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:12:51 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: 'Out of the Blue' Do Aliens Exist?

>>>And I 'd sure like to use Aldrin's prop on him, that stumble
>>>stepping, double talking, _time wasting_, duplicitous old
>>>bastard. He is without all relevancy, pertinence, and
>>>usefulness, and he's walked on both sides of the credulity line
>>>too often now for me to be able to take credence in anything he
>>>says in the future on this subject.

>>>Piss on him! But I sugar coat...

>>Twice today, defending Aldrin.

>>>You say all of this as if Col. Aldrin owes you his time. He's
>>had a long and successful career and I daresay that he doesn't
>>owe you a lick. I f you have some disagreement with anything
>>he's said then perhaps you could share it with us on this list,
>>rather than spout vituperative complaints.

>>You seem to be most agitated by Aldrin's measured responses (ok,
>>he speaks damned slower than most). But who's fault is that?


>In a previous interview, Aldrin didn't appear to come to the
>same conclusion that he rather brusquely offered on Larry King
>about seeing a "panel" during the Apollo 11 flight.

>As I watched Aldrin speak on Larry King, I kept having the
>impression - which I didn't have watching his previous
>interviews - that something was wrong with his delivery. It
>seemed that he was straining to talk around the subject; I
>sensed an evasiveness that I found both unexpected and strange.
>I say this as someone who absolutely had no bias against the
>guy. Certainly not hard evidence - just a strong impression that
>something didn't feel right.

>Am I alone in having that impression?

Hi, Jeff,

No, you are not alone in having the impression that something
about Aldrin's manner and delivery style have become off-kilter.
His use of language, response time, and other factors convince
me that Aldrin may be suffering from neurological or age-related
problem that has rendered him slightly dysfunctional on some
level. He is getting up there in age, and and his presentation,
based on my own experience in having had to take care of my Dad
when he was dying from cancer, and now my Mom, who has
difficulty staying focused and remembering a lot ot things
suggests to me that Aldrin may be becoming somewhat senile. I
hate to say that, but the symptoms and signs are there. However,
that is not the main issue.

For the last few years, and even up to last year, Aldrin,
without being either very descriptive or explicit, has said
things that imply that he, Neil Armstrong, and Michael Collins
may have actually seen a 'UFO', which is as we all know also a
fairly loose and perjorative term as it is assumed to connote
either alien spacecraft or alien programmed or remotely
controlled probes, which would also be unaliened (like UAV, or
unmanned aerial vehicles we have developed most recently)
spacecraft, even though UFO has and still really should mean
what its' initials stand for.

Perhaps Aldrin and crew saw the equivalent of an unidentified
aerospace phenomenon of some kind, or a 'UFO', or a panel from
the LEM container (which, as Aldrin has said, was at least 6000
miles away, as reported by NASA ground communicators after a
pause for calculation when Aldrin slyly asked how close the
nearest ejected LEM panel was after he and Armstrong saw the
odd, thickish L-shaped object tracking with them for some time.
I don't know if he ever made comment that what the Apollo 11
crew saw was, strictly speaking, a UFO per se, but he previously
has sure suggested and at least heavily implied it, saying he
did not want to report seeing a UFO, as that have caused ground
control to cancel the moon landing and require the crew to turn
around and land prior to completing the mission.

There are several YouTube videos and other online transcripts of
what Aldrin described and how he characterized it before now,
when on the Larry King show, he _now_ says what he saw was the
one of the LEM shell panels. He even referred to being 99.999
sure. Oddly, he didn't append the usual term of "percent" to
the comment he made on the King show.

So what happened?

I surely do not know, but he has apparently changed his mind and
thinking, or characterization of the incident. Did someone get
to him, or did others he knows discuss how his near-claim of
having seen something other than the LEM panel, some kind of
UFO, get too much attention or create a negative impression
about him and/or his rationality or integrity or ego? Again,
that has yet to be determined.

But there is a big difference, he essentially reversed himself,
and the only way now that there may be a way to help resolve or
balance the issue, due to Aldrin's flip-flop, would be for some
one to get either Neil Armstrong to answer the question of what
might have been seen, which is unlikely since he avoids
publicity and any implication of controversy or limelight, and
thus perhaps the answer to the question at hand could only be
resolved by Michael Collins going on the record if Armstrong
won't (which may say something itself, despite his being
publicity-shy), and possibly what was said in post-mission
debriefing of the 3 astronauts after they returned from the

Anyone know better details or how this question might otherwise
be answered out there?

Oddly, one Aldrin YouTube video shows him punching out a
'reporter' or actually moon-landing debunker, who insults Aldrin
fairly directly just before Aldrin gets pissed and punches the
guy in the face after starting to say or yell, "get this guy
away from me." It was after the guy called him a liar that he
physically reacted to the researcher/debunker.

Others may have called him a liar effectively in private or via
other communications with his original comments and on the
record statements prior to what he said on Larry King, so maybe
that kind of pressure made him reverse himself. His manner and
effusiveness (didn't get a couple King-supplied social cues to
stop talking, or to get to the point, as they went to break) on
the show seemed like someone not really in full control of
himself, or some odd lack of self-awareness. Sad, really.

So unless Collins or Armstrong say what they saw, to either back
Aldrin up (that it was a LEM panel, which is most likely--in
explosive eject, the panel could have folded into an L-shape, I
suppose, and saying just about anything other than what was seen
was some kind of UFO would be the politic and safe course of
action, and seems likely to be done, if any further statements
are forthcoming from the 2 others who, as far as I know, haven't
earlier said anything on the record as to Aldrin's earlier
statements) or say they saw something that was _not_ the LEM
panel, we may never really know. How typical, eh?


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