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Re: The 1952 Tremonton Utah 'Seagulls'

From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:44:59 -0600
Archived: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:40:11 -0400
Subject: Re: The 1952 Tremonton Utah 'Seagulls'

>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:49:00 EDT
>Subject: Re: The 1952 Tremonton Utah 'Seagulls' Confirmation?

>>From: Michael Tarbell <mtarbell.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:40:08 -0600
>>Subject: Re: The 1952 Tremonton Utah 'Seagulls' Confirmation?


>The 16mm film format only exposes an area about 8 mm high and
>about 12-13 mm wide, depending on the exact film type. You are
>calculating the length of the film strip in feet from the 16mm
>figure but that is the width of the film strip not the length.
>Double your figures.

Thanks Brad, Bob Shell also cleared this up for me earlier. I was
quite unaware that each frame had such a broad aspect ratio.

>The CIA got an early copy perhaps before the first portion was
>lost. The CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence lists the total
>number of frames as about 1,600. That would correspond to 100
>seconds (or about 1.7 minutes).

It seems apparent that the short (~75 sec) copy was not produced
by simply snipping off the initial segment shot at f8. The Baker
analysis of the shortened copy clearly refers to the transition
to f16, and even includes a still image from the f8 portion.
Moreover, he describes the transition occuring ~30% of the way
through the film, whereas Newhouse states that he shot "a few
feet" (out of ~30 total) at f8. This would seem to indicate that
it was the end of the film that was truncated.

I'm definitely confused about the travels of the original film,
who made copies for whom, etc. Here is a letter dated 04 May
1953 from L. W. Keith, US Naval Photographic Interpretation
Center (NPIC), which clearly indicates that NPIC had the
original (at least temporarily) and produced a color-corrected


Here is another letter, dated 18 Mar 1954, from the acting
Commanding Officer at NPIC, who states that NPIC "... has never
had posession of the original and does not have information
concerning its whereabouts.":


Yours is the first mention I've seen of CIA/OSI having a
complete (if not original) copy.

I'd be happy to see even a digitized version of the short copy,
if anyone knows where one might be.


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