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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:00:12 -0700
Archived: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:09:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:36:02 +0000
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:06:05 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>Thanks, Steve. I don't believe that I support the notion that
>>all theories are of equal value. I don't remember saying that

>I didn't say you did, Ed. It's your defenders who act that way.


I don't have any defenders. I can't think of a single person who
buys into my theory 100%. What Steve and Ray and Bob
were defending was my right to an informed opinion. They felt
I should be able present it to the List without being attacked
or made to look ridiculous.

>>>The utter necessity of peer review aside, hpothesis or theory
>>>construction requiires building a logically coherent and
>>>empirically grounded explanation for a body of data. not simply
>>>pulling some wild-ass notion out of the sky.

>>My theory is supported by science theory (convergent evolution)
>>and is logically coherent and very simple to understand:
>>Sometime during the last two-hundred million years another
>>species of tool makers evolved and populated the earth in enough
>>numbers to create the technology that is responsible to the UFO
>>seen daily across our planet. We live parallel existences and
>>are at the point of possible convergence. All the above is
>>possible, scientifically, and historically. It is not some
>>"wild-ass notion". It is by far the simplest explanation, and
>>makes sense of all the information that ufology has collected
>>over the years. All one needs to do is substitute ancient
>>monotreme civilization (AMC) for ETH.

>And where do we go to see these people, Ed?

I know you and I agree on one important fact. Humans world- wide
are being visited, on a daily basis, by UFO and their occupants.
These visitations can only be the result of a very short list of
causes: our own military, folks from other star systems (ETH),
or folks from our own solar system. (I'm ruling out other causes
such as angels, daemons, time travelers, interdimentional
entities, etc, because I assume you agree with me that these are
not serious possibilities) I have ruled out ETH because science
says FTL travel is not possible. I have ruled out our own
military ( except for the TR 3B, the flying triangle) because
the history of UFO goes back thousands of years.

I was left with only one real possibility and that was that
these critters came from our neighborhood. When I looked into it
and began to examine our evolutionary record and the missing
links and the enormous time spans involved, it became clear that
the simplest and best explanation for UFO was a parallel, and
convergent ancient civilization. There is nothing in any branch
of science that prevents or negates these ideas. This theory is
not "unscientific".

I'm not asking that the List endorse this theory. What I'm
asking is that it be considered along side the ETH. Actually the
ancient hominid theory has much more going for it than ETH, once
you open your mind to the possibility that it could be true.
There's evidence that their interest in us began to increase
after our first nuclear tests. Could nuclear fallout have caused
the Roswell crash? There is nothing in all UFO literature that
prevents a consideration of the Ancient hominid theory.  I could
ramble on but I think you all get my point.

>>What is testable about ETH?

>In your very next sentence you say that your theory "can be
>tested in the same manner as the ETH," so you must know the
>answer to your own question. Briefly, whether or not powered
>vehicles are entering or leaving the earth's atmosphere could be
>tested (monitored).

My point was that any test devised to prove the ETH could be
used to test the Ancient Hominid Theory. All we're arguing about
is the point of origin of the UFO phenomenon, and not the
phenomenon itself. (I know we closely agree on the dynamics of

>>>Cat tracks or fur on the counter, direct inspection of the
>>>appliance mechanism, things like that. ETH can be tested in
>>>principle, though not easily or inexpensively. So can one or two
>>>of the very few alternative hypotheses. Some of the notions
>>>advancedon this list are so improbable as to not merit the
>>>slightest bit of attention unless and until the advoicates can
>>>advance some meaningful supporting evidence.

>>The AMC can be tested in the same manner as the ETH. What is so
>>improbable about an ancient civilization?

>How can it be tested? Where do you look? As small as the earthj
>is, another civilization would be pretty hard to find ... unless
>of course you are invoking invisibility.

Whoever or whatever is visiting us are not keeping themselves
completely hidden since some attempt at communication is being
made through abductions and direct contact.

No, the hominids aren't invisible. But if I'm correct and their
civilization is over one-hundred million years older than ours,
I suspect that their technology would allow them to live where
they wish.  I don't pretend to understand them or their
intentions and don't have a clue why they seem to want to keep
their distance. They could be frightened by us just as we should
be frightened by wolves. But the short answer to your question
is that while their civilization evolved on earth, earth has had
many serious calamities, and may presently only be an outpost.
Perhaps they live in mother ships as Stan suggests. If they
decided to move off planet or underground, all evidence of their
civilization would soon disappear especially if their origin was
Antarctica, now covered by miles of snow and ice but one-hundred
million years ago it was temperate and lush, the same conditions
that encouraged human genesis.


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