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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:11:47 +0100
Archived: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:52:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?


>From: Bob Shell <bob.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:05:20 -0400
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>From: Gerald O'Connell <gac.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:53:43 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>>What is so improbable about an ancient civilization?

>>1. Evidence from the fossil record?

>>2. Evidence from the archaeological record?

>Are you saying there isn't any evidence?

Yes, I am. There's a stack of evidence for the incompleteness of
our current picture, but none for the existence of a completely
different picture, one that would support a convergently evolved
cryptoterrestrial hypothesis/ancient civilisation hypothesis.

>If so, I recommend that you read some of Hancock's works on
>this subject.

Hancock's works, insofar as they are as persuasive, do nothing
to support a CTH/ACH.

>Also, you must always remember that lack of evidence in
>paleontology and archeology is meaningless. All that means is
>that we just haven't found it yet.

So if we look long enough and hard enough we'll find evidence
for anything and everything? Is that your point? Later on, you
bemoan the lack of 'good scientific argument with Ed's theory'.
If your argument is indicative of the logical strength of 'good
scientific argument', then I'll stick with idle speculation and
crude superstition, thanks.

>Or maybe we have and it has not yet been recognized for what it
>is.

>Paleontology is full of cases of misidentified artifacts. When
>the "antennae" of Anomalocaris were first found they were not
>recognized as parts of a larger animal, but classified as a type
>of shrimp. (The name the animal is stuck with as a result means
>"strange shrimp", when the actual animal looked nothing like a
>shrimp.) The claws of Therizinosaurus cheloniformis were first
>believed to be ribs of sea turtles.

>I've actually worked in one of the world's great museums, and I
>know that there are thousands of unidentified fossils and
>archeological specimens in such a museum. I'm sure there are
>also many misidentified specimens.

Of course there is a wealth of palaeontological and
archaeological anomalies. Of course the academic establishment
is conservative in its interpretation of data. But there is
still a mountain of serious work to be done before anybody can
argue that the anomalous data supports a CTH/ACH or anything
similar. So at the moment, as I said, there isn't any evidence.

>Lack of evidence is not a valid argument.

Actually it's an extremely strong argument for the position that
there isn't any evidence.

>Really, the only thing wrong with Ed's theory (and so far as I
>know, Ed is the first to theorize a monotreme species
>convergently evolved) is that you and some others just don't
>like it.

I never said I didn't like it. Actually I love it. I also like
the work of Ray Bradbury and Kurt Vonnegut. There's always room
for another challenging idea. The more the merrier. But a
predisposition against the ETH or transdimensional explanations
is not the same as an evidence based hypothesis. Ed's position
is not an evidence-based hypothesis, it's an interesting what-if
- rather like ice nine.

>Well, again, that is not a valid argument. So far we've
>seen a lot of windage, ridicule, and dismissive outbursts, but
>not a single bit of good scientific argument with Ed's theory.
>This is not how science works.

Science is a culture, and it works in many different ways. One
of its biggest strengths is that scientists get on and do it
rather than try to tell each other how it should work. If a spot
of ridicule galvanises you, Ed or a clerk in a patent office
into going through a pile of antennae, claws and dusty
artefacts, and proving that a race of Devonian platypuses
mastered time-travel, gravity, immortality and are currently in
our midst, then all our lives will be the richer for it.

--
Gerald O'Connell



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