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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:44:27 -0300
Archived: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:56:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?


>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:18:24 -0700
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:47:13 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:00:12 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99.nul>
>>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:36:02 +0000
>>>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

><snip>

>>>I know you and I agree on one important fact. Humans world-wide
>>>are being visited, on a daily basis, by UFO and their occupants.
>>>These visitations can only be the result of a very short list of
>>>causes: our own military, folks from other star systems (ETH),
>>>or folks from our own solar system. (I'm ruling out other causes
>>>such as angels, daemons, time travelers, interdimentional
>>>entities, etc, because I assume you agree with me that these are
>>>not serious possibilities) I have ruled out ETH because science
>>>says FTL travel is not possible.

>>What has the speed of light got to do with the ETH? That's like
>>saying that the theory that the west was populated with settlers
>>couldn't happen because wagon trains were too slow. Speed has
>>nothing to do with it. Time is the significant factor here and
>>there are billions of years of time.
>>Your whole argument falls apart over this one point.

>Don,

>I disagree. Speed is the main factor. God may have all the time
>she needs but our lifetimes are very limited.

I think it's your imagination that is limited, Ed. One person's
or entity's lifetime has nothing to do with it. You are asuming
point to point contact. They are there we are here and they
somehow made a beeline for us because they, you and Shirmer have
this fixation on anal probes. So does my proctologist but no one
is taking him to task for it.

That aside, my view of what life that evolved in our galaxy
never mind the universe did so billions of years ago and spread
out through space. They didn't know anything about our little
planet and likely stumbled across it while scanning from some
light years away while passing through. This could have been
several millions of years ago or maybe a few hundred thousand
year. We should stick out like a sore thumb with the equipment
some of the dozens of species who have had space technology for
millions of years would have.

Think about this Ed; if you have conquered space what else have
you got to do but explore? We have naturalists on this planet
who will happily spend their whole lives in pursuit of one type
of butterfly. I'd bet the same applies for some superexploration
teams that live and die in space having never seen their home
planet which perhaps has long since ceased to exist.

>Why shouldn't we
>assume the same for our visitors? I think we'll find that travel
>in the universe is severely limited by the distances involved
>and light speed will be necessary for travel within a realistic
>timeframe. Also the energy requirements for FTL are prohibitive.
>The laws of physics indicate that getting even a small amount of
>matter to light speed will require all the energy in the
>universe.

The universe is 14.7 billion years old, that's plenty of time for
many super civilizations to have come and even gone.
What you seem not to understand is that we can get to sublight
speeds and even though the rule still applies it's the species
outside the craft that have to put up with the tremendous
problems of time-NOT the travellers.

Do you seriously think that some species [and I mean hundreds or
thousands of different types of species] that's had technology
for millions of years can't get by a little thing like the speed
of light.

>That's too high a price to pay just to give a few rectal exams

Answered above.

>to dangerous animals on a distant and inhospitable planet.

There's nothing inhospitable about Earth unless you are a
species that breaths Sulphuric acid. And we would be no more
dangerous than other species that have just recently lumbered
into space. That's old sci-fi crap-the notion that other
intelligent species evolved without killing one another.
Dolphins are looked apon as a benign mammal but they still eat
other species to survive as do whales and and everything else on
this planet.

>>Why after co-existing with us for millions of years are these
>>"critters" so interested in our bowels and sexual reproductive
>>systems? Where is their whole [social, maunufacturing, housing,
>>economic based] infrastructure.

>I don't know why they are interested in us. I think they have
>always interacted with humans in some way. I mostly agree with
>Fort: "we are being farmed!"

I don't. man's need-usually for some religious reason, to whip
himself, atone for being alive-and enjoying it. I think "they"
came, they saw and hung around to see how we are making out,
watching us evolve like they watched thousands of other species
evolve. Some species made it into space, some didn't. Doesn't
matter, they would still be worth studying.

>Since I think the ancient hominid civilization is at least one
>hundred million years old, they've had time to live wherever
>they wish, maybe Mars or the back side of the moon or under the
>oceans or underground or in super mother ships.

I'll give you some ETI doing this save the underground bases
theory. The oceans may be just a safe haven between operations
or observations. But cripes these are one generous species who
just got the hell out of the way so we could have all of the
good real estate.

>I don't know
>about their infrastructure, but if they employ nanotechnology,
>then it could be very self-sufficient. We're not far from that
>goal ourselves. Their population could be quite small (less than
>a million) and easily hidden. It may be in decline. I just don't
>have answers for these questions.

If you don't have answers then how can you be so positive that
they exist. Are you taking it on faith?

>>There is no such thing as a TR-3b.

>Maybe so but the craft know as the TR-3b looks like the triangle
>shaped craft seen over Phoenix which I believe was human
>constructed.

250,000 atmospheres, eh? That's 8 million 250,000 pounds per
square inc. First show me a pump capable of producing that
doesn't weigh in at 3-4 or 5 hundred tons and then the material
capable of containing that pressure. Ticking timebombs.

The writer of that article throws a lot of numbers around,
technical terms, words [naturally plasma makes an appearence]
that don't make sense. And the craft even rotates! Why?
Aerodynamics is out the window at this point-why would the thing
have to spin like a frisbee? So the writer could sound
important?

It's great to have faith in your country's technology Ed, but
you don't have anything like what's been showing up and does
what they do. Using that tired old saw about top secret military
aircraft is just pronouncement without one iota [or aircraft] of
proof to back it up. Remember, people have been using that same
top secret technology ploy to explain away UFOs since 1947 but
none of it has even shown up.


Don


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