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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Paul Scott Anderson <paulscottanderson.nul>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:25:03 -0700
Archived: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:06:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:36:51 -0500
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>The "problem" is not, in the self-serving definition above, that
>ideas are rejected "based only on personal bias" (similar
>charges are routinely hurled against physics professionals by
>lay physics cranks who think they've disproved Einstein), but
>that silly ideas, based on personal belief as opposed to a body
>of compelling evidence, get continually reycled over ufology's
>history. That's why we get nowhere, and that's why those of us
>who know something about the requirements of science - not to
>mention the history of ufology - lose our patience.

>As this mind-numbing exchange has staggered onward, I have more
>and more come to understand that at least some on this list
>have, at best, a grade-school understanding of how science works
>(that is, if they don't reject science altogether).

Referring to some ideas as "silly" with no evidence for that
position, is bias. Scientists used to consider meteorites a
"silly" idea...! All I was doing was saying that Ed and Bob et
al have a right to their theories and views, without being
labelled as cranks or whatever, and that dismissing things out
of hand too hastily is foolish, IMO.

And yes, I also do know something about the requirements of
science; if you knew me at all, you would know that. I started
the Canadian Crop Circle Research Network way back in 1995; it
is still the only organization of its kind here and one of the
few that has made scientific analysis of plants and soil a
priority (and yes, by various mainstream scientists who are
involved now, not just Levengood, via BLT). I also have doubts
though that science alone can explain everything in life or
nature. Most scientists still reject the possibility of psychic
phenomena, yet I am sure they exist. Why? Because I've
experienced some of them. I've had detailed dreams before of
things that happened later, classic premonitions. Sometimes
pertaining to my research, sometimes just mundane things. Yet I
have no idea how that can happen, I just know it can and does.
Yet mainstream science ignores things like this because it can't
explain them yet. So, I am open-minded to various ideas.

>If you really think you have a serious claim on their time and
>attention, it is your obligation not to harangue us growingly
>impatient ufologists but to take it to the scientific
>professionals for their assessment. Time, too, to start citing
>papers in the scientific literature that show the professionals
>deem the existence of a hidden terrestrial civilization even
>marginally possible. Time, in other words, to put up or shut up.
>Why do I expect that you will do neither?

Who's haranguing you? I was only expressing an opinion, the same
as Ed or Bob, etc. But because I am not actively involved in
ufology the way I used to be (but still interested), you see
that as an intrusion?

On a related note to this, I had also simply made it known that
there were several other good eyewitness accounts on the record
re the 'drones' yet no one here seemed willing to admit that or
that they should be talked to, as in any other UFO case.
Instead, it was just the same kind of dismissal based on only
part of the available evidence, the photos. Another "silly" idea
that they could possibly be real? My point was that those
ufologists should do their own investigation of the case before
pronouncing judgement.


Paul Scott Anderson

Canadian Crop Circle Research Network

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