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Re: Why The Cover-Up?

From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:11:33 -0700
Archived: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:34:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:26:33 -0300
>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>From: Ed Gehrman <egehrman.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:23:47 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Why The Cover-Up?

>>The above is simply speculation on your part. I do not believe,
>>nor is there any evidence, that humans or any other life form,
>>have or will ever freely explore the universe and fly from star
>>to star.

>But you are postulating that our Earth brethern have done just that.
>I am going no further with this sillyness, Ed because whatever
>argument you use can be turned back against your own theory.


I do not theorize that the ancient hominids travel from star to
star. I don't think they can or that star travel is possible at
all. But travel through the solar system is achievable and
something we should work toward accomplishing. At this point in
their evolution the hominids should have control of the solar
system. I think they can travel long distances at great speed,
but not to other stars.

>everysentence you use montremes in i can say but there is no
>evidence of that, that it is speculation on your part. Your
>theory is faith based, without a shred of evidence to support it .

I agree with all the traditional findings of ufologists. We are
being visited. But by whom?

>and which you will support to the end evan as you have supported
>the validity of the AA despite being told by the very creator of
>same that it is a hoax.

He never told me it was a hoax. He announced that they had done
a restoration. Except for Rays change of story,
there isn't any evidence that the AA is a hoax. Ray could not explain
or show how the restoration was accomplished.

>I think you and others who have faith in the ETH have
>>invented a nice bedtime story. But science says it won't fly.

>Science doesn't say any such thing. You are saying that and your
>credibility is quite low.

Maybe you can point out where science contradicts my statement?

>>The speed and energy requirements are the main stumbling blocks,
>>but desire is also necessary. An underlying assumption to such
>>futuristic thinking is that human population will continue to
>>grow and that there will be new technology fueled by this
>>growth. That's not necessarily a correct assumption. It might
>>happen, but there could be much to interrupt our progress.

>>If you submitted the above narrative to a panel of scientists,
>>would they agree? I don't mind if you believe this; I did for
>>many years. But don't treat me like the community idiot because

>Oh, I don't think you have lost faith, your egocentric view of
>the Earth as the only bastion of life in a universe is strongly
>linked to an older faith basedidea, religion.

The universes is teeming with life; but it's isolated and
doesn't travel from star to star. Life is the end result of
matter (mother).

>>I don't believe this dogma any longer. Can't
>>you understand that? It happened in a rush of insight. I had
>>just viewed the Alien Autopsy footage several times and was
>>focusing on the brain removal when it really hit me. This is a
>>flesh and blood creature! Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot!!

>So you watched a hoaxed film of a plastic dummy having its sheep
>brain removed and now you are convinced of your theory.
>You can't even come to grips with the faked AA film and you are
>trying convince me and others that we are way off base in the
>possibility of the ETH?

That's correct. But the dummy wasn't plastic and the brain's
weren't from sheep. This is a real creature.

>>The earth is five billion years old and life has been here
>>for four and a half billion years. That's more than enough time
>>for many civilizations to have come and gone, too. Why should
>>we be the only one? Do you think humans are special?

>Frankly, yes I do.

Science says nothing is special. Nothing is special! And we
aren't either. The proof that we are here is also proof that
one, or maybe many, hominid cultures could exist and still do.

>We are the only ones there is proof of. There
>have definitly been different civilizations that rose and fell
>over the last 10,000 years and I suspect 2 or 3 times that length
>of time if not more, but they were still human civilizations.

Yes that's true. And the same dynamics will be found in the
ancient hominids.

>>There's not a reason to believe that we can even reach sublight
>>speeds or that we would be motivated to spend the time and
>>effort to do so. But why not be specific? Give a realistic
>>example of how all this might work.

>It's called constant acceleration, Ed. Look it up. Stan Friedman
>worked on nuclear technology rockets [back in the late 60s early
>70s] which I believe he said were 10,000 times more powerful
>than the Saturn rocket. Put that technology into space and then
>power up at the rate of one constant G of acceleration and you
>will eventually get to close to the speed of light.

Show me the evidence. As speed increases, so does mass and slow
acceleration won't change a thing except increase the time
factor. All the options are discussed below. Where's the
unanimity among scientists?


>>>Do you seriously think that some species [and I mean hundreds or
>>>thousands of different types of species] that's had technology
>>>for millions of years can't get by a little thing like the speed
>>>of light.

>>First of all there is not a grain of evidence

>You use that unsuppotable line over and over Ed. There is not a
>grain of evidence to validate the AA film either but you embrace
>it wholeheartedly in your headlong rush to incredibility. that
>any species

There is evidence that the AA is real and not one iota of
evidence that it is a fake. It's one of those things where
everyone assumes that there is evidence but it's just not there.
The litmus demanded by the UFO community has been that the film,
with an image, be tested. I have no problem with this and have
tried to talk Ray into complying but he resists.


>Ed Fouche made up the TR-3b nonsense. There is no existing line
>of technology to support it. And despite the fact that there are
>dozens of triangular-shaped aircraft in the world today none of
>them is in the one or two mile wide catagory of the Pheonix
>claims. You seem pretty ignorant of the descriptions of what
>went on at around 8pm that evening and even more so about
>aviation technology. And supporting the TR-3b nonsense also
>shows your ignorance of the air regs governing the airspace and
>the air traffic control system over and surrounding Phoenix [Sky
>Harbor] as well which apparently, you think, can be violated at
>will by the US Air Force regardless of how many flights are
>placed in harms way.

Our secret government does exactly what it wishes or wants and
doesn't give a flying foxtrot what you and anyone else thinks or
has planned. Safety is not a major concern. Do you want some

>>Whatever was seen that night, and I
>>believe the descriptions and artists rendition, I don't think it
>>was from another planet. My paranoia jumps into high gear
>>whenever these triangle sighting occur. I was involved in the
>>northern California sighting about two years ago. It seemed
>>staged and meant to draw attention to itself.

>By whom, your reptilian, bipedal creatures from Earth's past?

Of course not. Our secret government. All I know is that what I
saw seemed staged with elements of out of this world. We didn't
see the craft because it was slightly foggy, but I did see the
lights and the triangle craft was seen in San Francisco, south
of us about 120 miles about an hour later, and then again as it
traveled across the San Joaquin valley toward Las Vegas where is
was seen again, all in one night. These were not star-vessel
speeds. You believe what you want but I have to pass on this. I
think the triangle is secret government disinformation.

>>I have zero faith in any technology.

>Yeah remember that the next time you go to the hospital.

I try to stay away from hospitals. I worked in several,
remember. That's why I know the Doctors in the footage
aren't fakes.

>>It's a tool and tools break
>>and malfunction. But I fear the TR3b is a red herring intended
>>to somehow misdirect our investigations.

>There's your flawed belief system kicking in again Ed. Ed Fouche
>said there was a TR-3b and you swallowed it hook, line and
>sinker... just like the AA hoax. You use it like it's fact.

I haven't bought it as fact, but use the information to try and figure
out the situation we're in.

Ed Fouche is who he says he is. He wrote a book based on
information from friends, factual information, but had to
publish as fiction so the book would clear. He says the TR3-b is
a fact. I have no reason to doubt him. Do you?


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