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Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Redfern

From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Redfern

>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:15:38 EDT
>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>>From: Greg Boone <Evolbaby.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:29:15 EDT
>>>Subject: U.S. Spies On Ufologists


>>>Well here's a dandy!

>>>I'm glad someone is spying on us. It's good that our guys are
>>>keeping tabs on things in the name of national security.

>>My 2006 book, On The Trail Of The Saucer Spies (Anomalist Books)
>>was a full-length study of how and why government, military,
>>intelligence and police agencies have spied (and still do spy)
>>on elements of the UFO research community.

>>During the course of researching the book, I obtained files and
>>documents on numerous people in US-based Ufology, including Gray
>>Barker, Albert Bender, George Adamski, George Van Tassel, George
>>Hunt Willamson, Leonard Stringfield, and many more.


>>However, time and again, I found a couple of central themes to
>>the surveillance: namely that it was undertaken because (a)
>>intelligence agencies suspected that certain ufologists were
>>being duped and hired by overseas intelligence agencies into
>>gathering for them classified defense information of a
>>specifically non-UFO nature (but while using their UFO research
>>as a cover); and (b) because it was suspected that some
>>ufologists were using the UFO subject as a way of subtly
>>spreading political data of a type that the Intel world had
>>concerns about.

>>I found _no_ instance where any ufologist was being watched
>>because they were getting 'too close to the truth' about literal
>>ET-driven UFOs

>Hmm, there is another explanation, the _real_ explanation I
>believe, which you do not consider or mention. Pity to miss out.
>I have posted on it many times and will not belabor the matter
>yet again, it just goes nowhere. This is just an FYI that I
>think you are way off base.

>Good luck.


No, I'm not off-base. I'm right on it.

Granted, I'm sure that there could be a whole number of reasons
why people in Ufology have been watched - some, even, that no-
one has ever considered.

But I know that in many instances it is because of the issues I
cited above. Indeed, it's something that is actually quite easy
to prove - particularly if you are familiar with British

For example, one of the stories I cite in my 'Saucer Spies' book
is that of British ufologists Robin Cole and Matthew Williams.

In 1997, Cole wrote a self-published booklet that looked at the
links between UFOs and GCHQ (Government Communications
Headquarters - the UK equivalent of the NSA).

He was interviewed on British TV about this, and as a result,
the following morning he received a phone call from the British
Police's 'Special Branch' (SB from now on for the rest of this

SB asked if they could come and speak to Cole. He agreed. But as
they asked in advance in a phone call, Robin had a short period
before they arrived by car from their offices to hide his tape-
recorder in his living room, where the two SB guys wouldn't see
it, but where it would easily and secretly pick up and record
the entire conversation.

And it did. I have listened to the tape.

One of the (various) things that SB asked Robin about were the
actions of another British ufologist named Matthew Williams.

Williams - particularly in the mid to late 1990s - was very
active in investigating allegations of secret UFO research
undertaken allegedly at a Royal Air Force base in the UK called
RAF Rudloe Manor.

Williams spent a lot of time hanging around the base, taking
photos, jumping the fence to get pictures, tracking down
employees and trying to get them to talk, etc.

Then, in the summer of 1997, he and Richard Conway of the
British UFO Research Association (BUFORA) broke into a nearby
facility called Monks Park.

This is an underground installation whose tunnels (at one
specific point) link up with the extensive array of tunnels that
exist under the Rudloe base.

Monks Park at the time was storing components and parts for Navy
related defense projects.

Williams and Conway took lots of photos while underground - some
of which appeared in a summer 1997 issue of the British news-
stand magazine, 'Alien Encounters'.

Now back to Robin Cole: it was not long after the 'Alien
Encounters' article written by Williams appeared that Cole got
the SB visit.

SB specifically wanted to know if Cole felt that Williams'
actions of breaking into bases, hanging around them and taking
photos etc, was actually nothing to do with trying to find dead
alien bodies etc; but if Williams was actually using the UFO
angle as a cover for working with the Irish Republican Army -
 the IRA.

Well, of course he wasn't. Williams really was just looking for
evidence of UFO activity; but undertook his quest in a fashion
that had probably never been done by a British ufologist before
- and had probably never been done by _any_ ufologist before. In
the US, the equivalent would probably be parachuting into Area
51, or scaling the fence at Wright-Pat and charging into some
underground storage facility on-base - if you didn't get shot in
the process, of course.

Anyway, the crux of this is that, as I said, Robin Cole _taped
the interview_. I have heard it. I know the name of the SB
official that questioned Cole about Williams and since
publication of the book I have spoke with some of his
colleagues, some of who are no longer with SB.

The whole British Ufology/surveillance angle is one not at all
well known outside of the UK; and it appears that it was in the
90s - for the most part, with some brief but intense activity in
the mid-70s - that things really took off.

There was also the significant fact that SB were making links
with other researchers during their investigations of Williams.

I'll explain what I mean: Cole and Williams were friends and
colleagues. Williams was friends with a man named Matthew Bevan
- who hacked Wright-Pat in the mid 1990s in search of UFO data
while still a teenager, and who became the subject of a major
investigation by Scotland Yard's Computer Crime Unit.

Do a Google search on Matthew Bevan and you'll find much
material and how we was perceived by the official world for what
were really UFO-driven actions.

So there was this angle that seemed to SB to be wholly
believable - that a whole bunch of UK ufologists were
investigating bases in the UK and US (Wright-Pat, Rudloe, Monks
Park, GCHQ, Porton Down - this latter one, by me), and the fear
was that there was an ulterior motive. But there wasn't.

But when you have the tape-recorded conversation that Cole had
with SB, the picture becomes very clear.

Also: in the files on Adamski, he makes it clear that in his
view, his "aliens" had a Communist style government.

No agency would have ignored this at the height of the whole
Reds-under-the-beds saga, given that Adamski was speaking at
gigs, selling books by the tens of thousands (re 'Inside the
Space Ships', at least), and possibly influencing the thinking
and minds of people.

But _none_ of this cited above requires real aliens to play a
role in any way, shape or form. Now, they _may_ be out there;
but they are not required here.

It's chiefly agencies fearing the worst. The truly ironic thing
is this: I mentioned that agencies feared that people were being
recruited by overseas agencies and subversive groups, and that's
why the surveillance was undertaken, etc. But...in no case was
it ever actually proven. Again, just the Intel world theorizing
and coming to that conclusion.

Of course, had it been proven that the things the official world
feared really were going on (namely researchers using UFOs as a
cover - as per the Williams allegations), we would know, because
the relevant ufologist would be sitting in jail right now!

So, the Intel world got it wrong. But that doesn't take away the
fact that we can prove their motives re certain 1990s UK
ufologists - and those motives are just as I said: the fear that
Ufology was rife with people hired by subversive groups and
overseas agencies and groups and who were using the UFO subject
as a cover to allow them to undertake other activities of a non-
 UFO nature.

Nick Redfern

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