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Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Bourdais

From: Gildas Bourdais <bourdais.gildas.nul>
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:14:47 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:39:33 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Bourdais

>From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:46:42 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:15:38 EDT
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>>From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
>>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists


>>>>Well here's a dandy!

>>>>I'm glad someone is spying on us. It's good that our guys are
>>>>keeping tabs on things in the name of national security.


>>>My 2006 book, On The Trail Of The Saucer Spies (Anomalist Books)
>>>was a full-length study of how and why government, military,
>>>intelligence and police agencies have spied (and still do spy)
>>>on elements of the UFO research community.

>>>During the course of researching the book, I obtained files and
>>>documents on numerous people in US-based Ufology, including Gray
>>>Barker, Albert Bender, George Adamski, George Van Tassel, George
>>>Hunt Willamson, Leonard Stringfield, and many more.


>>>However, time and again, I found a couple of central themes to
>>>the surveillance: namely that it was undertaken because (a)
>>>intelligence agencies suspected that certain ufologists were
>>>being duped and hired by overseas intelligence agencies into
>>>gathering for them classified defense information of a
>>>specifically non-UFO nature (but while using their UFO research
>>>as a cover); and (b) because it was suspected that some
>>>ufologists were using the UFO subject as a way of subtly
>>>spreading political data of a type that the Intel world had
>>>concerns about.

>>>I found _no_ instance where any ufologist was being watched
>>>because they were getting 'too close to the truth' about
>>>literal ET-driven UFOs

>>Hmm, there is another explanation, the _real_ explanation I
>>believe, which you do not consider or mention. Pity to miss

>>I have posted on it many times and will not belabor the matter
>>yet again, it just goes nowhere. This is just an FYI that I
>>think you are way off base.

>>Good luck.


>No, I'm not off-base. I'm right on it.

>Granted, I'm sure that there could be a whole number of reasons
>why people in Ufology have been watched - some, even, that no-
>one has ever considered.

>But I know that in many instances it is because of the issues I
>cited above. Indeed, it's something that is actually quite easy
>to prove - particularly if you are familiar with British


It is not difficult to find exemples of ufologists and witnesses
who have been monitored by secret services, not because of
suspected spying activities, but because of their specific
involvement with UFOs.

As an exemple, I remind you of the story of a missed rendez-vous
of Dennis Balthaser with a potentially important witnesss about
Roswell, on behalf of the Roswell Museum, in 1997. His meeting
was cancelled by two alleged FBI agents who admitted that they
had been monitoring their phones, including the one of the
Roswell Museum. The story was published by CNI News, and on this
list at:


Another, rather obvious example is related to the interview of
Jesse Marcel Sr, in 1982, by Linda Corley. She waited until 2000
to publish that interview, at the MUFON Symposium because, soon
after having taped that interview, she was called by Marcel,
sounding under great stress, who told her not to say a word of
the interview. It is not difficult to guess at what may have

And what about you, Nick? In your book Body Snatchers in the
Desert, you tell a strange story of having been informed by a
series of secret service agents, of the true story of Roswell.
It seems that you were followed very closely, if I may say!

BTW, I am curious to know where you stand on Roswell today. In
your book, and in the following debates on this list, you seemed
quite certain that it was the true story of Roswell. But in a
recent message, you felt that we will never know the truth:


Did you change your mind?

Now, you are going to present your book again at the Roswell
festival in July. Are you going to say again that it is the true

Gildas Bourdais

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