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Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Sawyer

From: Steve Sawyer <stevesaw.nul>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:35:25 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:17:45 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Sawyer

>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:09:07 -0700
>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47x.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:04:26 EDT
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>>>Hmm, there is another explanation, the _real_ explanation I
>>>>believe, which you do not consider or mention. Pity to miss

>>>>I have posted on it many times and will not belabor the matter
>>>>yet again, it just goes nowhere. This is just an FYI that I
>>>>think you are way off base.

>>Also, just for the record I found some evidence that in the very
>>earliest days there was some Official Harassment of type C
>>(UFOlogists getting "too close to the truth") but it merged with
>>type B (Ufologists treated as subversives) and transformed into
>>type D.

>Brad, for those of us who don't know what the "type D"
>explanation is, could you quickly summarize it? I suspect most
>List readers don't even know what you two are discussing.


I would concur with David Rudiak. Even though I have done some
searching on past UFO UpDates posts where you discuss the
various types (A, B, and C) it's not entirely clear where and
why you refer to "B" and "C" transmuting into "D". Would you
please give us your current opinion and data regarding why and
how you think option "D" is more accurate than Nick's "A/B"

It would really be helpful to the List, I think, to clarify and
elucidate more specifically, with your current insights and any
evidence you care to note more precisely what you mean.

You reject the ETH, apparently. What scenario, if any, that
might involve advanced non-human intelligence or conciousness,
do you think may be involved? Are you referring to the EDH or
something derived from human involvement, or some kind of rare
and unusual natural phenomena? Or some combination of the above
possibilities? Or, something completely different? I respect you
highly as one of the most astute researchers in this "field" and
think it would be of real value for you to summarize or detail,
as you feel appropriate, your thinking along these lines, even
if just briefly.

Also, in view of the recent reporting and discussions initiated
by Gus Russo's article, and the related controversy involving
ongoing disinformational efforts regarding supposed
"disclosure," yet again, which seem more than anything to
indicate renewed activities by either former, retired
military/intelligence personnel _and/or_ possibly current/active
duty personnel involved in 'sanctioned' disinformational
operations, do you have an opinion or data about that? Just what
do you currently think (or can provide data about), is really
going on there?

If there are current, authorized governmental disinformation,
surveillance, and/or disruption efforts directed against US
citizens who happen to be interested in and researching uap/ufo
phenomenology, wouldn't this be a form of domestic spying, to
say the least, and illegal? Does anyone know if, post 9/11,
considering the "Patriot Act" and other possible executive
branch findings, authorizations, or orders, that such activity
may currently be, in turn, legal?

What documentation or evidence, either way, exists or is known
that would suggest whether these USG or Federal efforts, if
occurring, are either legal or illegal? Can these kinds of
psyops be authorized under the old, tired rubric of "national

If so, it would seem documentation, investigation, and possible
legal hearings, either in civil, criminal, or congressional
realms, with perhaps necessary legislation, should be explored
and brought to bear on these ongoing controversies and
destructive processes, if they can be proven, and are illegal.
And if not illegal, they should be _made_ illegal.


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