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Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Friedman

From: Stan Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:38:41 -0300
Fwd Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:19:12 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Friedman


>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:48:28 +0100
>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

><snip>

>>My 2006 book, On The Trail Of The Saucer Spies (Anomalist Books) was a
>>full-length study of how and why government, military, intelligence and
>>police agencies have spied (and still do spy) on elements of the UFO
>>research community.

><snip>

>>However, time and again, I found a couple of central themes to the
>>surveillance: namely that it was undertaken because (a) intelligence
>>agencies suspected that certain ufologists were being duped and hired
>>by overseas intelligence agencies into gathering for them classified
>>defense information of a specifically non-UFO nature (but while using
>>their UFO research as a cover); and (b) because it was suspected that
>>some ufologists were using the UFO subject as a way of subtly spreading
>>political data of a type that the Intel world had concerns about.

><snip>

>Nick has it right, though looking at some of the posts in this
>thread I think there's a danger of making a simple issue unduly
>complex.

>Many ufologists pay close attention to military bases, military
>personnel and military documents. In some circumstances this is
>going to bring them to the attention of the authorities, both in
>terms of counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence.

>CT and CI aside, there's a third factor to bear in mind when
>considering why the authorities may be interested in certain
>ufologists, and it relates to straightforward criminal activity.

>To give an example, in the UK there are a small number of
>ufologists who have been involved in drug use, drug dealing and
>extremist politics. Clearly this in itself may bring them to the
>attention of the authorities.

I will get a copy of Nick's book, but must add that a number of
years ago I tried under FOIA and the Privacy act to obtain my
files from the FBI and CIA, giving background data including the
dates of my security clearances obtained by the FBI.

The FBI at first said they had no files.

The CIA said all they had was a negative name check request from
the FBI and gave a file Number. I sent it to the FBI which said
"Oh Yes, we do have a file".

The size and level of security were classified. Larry Bryant did
manage to obtain some of the file. No idea of its status now.

Bill Moore's file was also classified for at least a while.


Stan Friedman




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