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Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Redfern

From: Stuart Miller <stuart.4.nul>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:57:42 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:30:36 -0400
Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists - Redfern

Nick Redfern has formatting issues, I think only with this List
but possibly with Life as well. Its simply too much work for
Errol to sort and so by proxy, I am submitting replies for Nick
on his behalf. They are his words and I am simply the messenger
but you can shoot the pair of us if you want.

[Nick is still subscribed --ebk]


>From: Nick Pope <nick.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:48:28 +0100
>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists

>>From: Nicholas Redfern <nick_redfern.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: U.S. Spies On Ufologists


>>My 2006 book, On The Trail Of The Saucer Spies (Anomalist Books)
>>was a full-length study of how and why government, military,
>>intelligence and police agencies have spied (and still do spy)
>>on elements of the UFO research community.


>>However, time and again, I found a couple of central themes to
>>the surveillance: namely that it was undertaken because (a)
>>intelligence agencies suspected that certain ufologists were
>>being duped and hired by overseas intelligence agencies into
>>gathering for them classified defense information of a
>>specifically non-UFO nature (but while using their UFO research
>>as a cover); and (b) because it was suspected that some
>>ufologists were using the UFO subject as a way of subtly
>>spreading political data of a type that the Intel world had
>>concerns about.


>Nick has it right, though looking at some of the posts in this
>thread I think there's a danger of making a simple issue unduly

>Many ufologists pay close attention to military bases, military
>personnel and military documents. In some circumstances this is
>going to bring them to the attention of the authorities, both in
>terms of counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence.

>CT and CI aside, there's a third factor to bear in mind when
>considering why the authorities may be interested in certain
>ufologists, and it relates to straightforward criminal activity.

>To give an example, in the UK there are a small number of
>ufologists who have been involved in drug use, drug dealing and
>extremist politics. Clearly this in itself may bring them to the
>attention of the authorities.


Good points. People should also take a look at Dave Clarke and
Andy Roberts' latest book The Flying Saucerers. This includes
the never-before-seen (and officially declassified) British
Police 'Special Branch' files on George King, of the Aetherius

Again, the evidence shows that the UFO angle of King's life was
the _last_ thing that Special Branch cared about. No let me
correct that: Special Branch didn't care _at_all_ about the
UFOs. But they did care about something that fell within their
sphere of interest - but of a far more down to earth nature.

The book tells the whole story, and for anyone who is interested
in understanding the saga of why certain Ufologists have been
watched, the chapter on King is highly instructive and revealing
The problem, of course, is that certain people in Ufology don't
want to hear that they are being watched because of down-to-
earth reasons.

Rather, they want to believe that they are being watched because
they are getting close to 'the truth' and therefore they have to
be monitored or have to be stopped, blah blah, etc etc. It
creates a feeling of self-importance.

If someone lacks self-esteem and they believe that the CIA, MI5
(or whoever) is watching them specifically_because of their
alien pursuits - and that this makes them feel better about
themselves and gives them a lofty, feel-good factor - well I
suppose it's cheaper than getting therapy.


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